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It's very strange for a foreigner to see this statement repeated over and over again in the Russian blogosphere. It's like some type of brainwashing or programming in the minds of men and women there - that "ours" are simply the best, most beautiful! Almost all of my friends are men, many from different countries, and I have not heard any other male make such a proclamation that "Italian women are the best!", "American women are the best!", "German women are the best!"...nope, only Russians say this.

I see another post today on this topic, but there is never a discussion of WHY. In all my travels there, I didn't notice any high ratio of beauties in comparison to other countries in which I've traveled. Of course, "beauty" - it's such a subjective term that it seems almost pointless to discuss the theme with the masses. But I really wonder - why are Russian women "the best"? For what reasons...enlighten me. :)

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Date: 2016-09-13 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] Наталья (from livejournal.com)
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Date: 2016-09-13 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
You have an answer to support the statement - "ours, the best!" ?

Date: 2016-09-13 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kuzzdra.livejournal.com
I prefer to put it as a sort of self awareness - Russian women are the best, since they manage to deal with us, Russian men. :D

Date: 2016-09-13 01:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
Haha...well, this is a logical answer. Thanks. :)

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Date: 2016-09-13 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] volhafranco.livejournal.com
It seems Russians think women must be beautiful, so they have to use all this make-up, high-heel, tight dresses, mini-skirts. And they really do it a lot. So feeling comfortable and accepting your body as it is are not the priorities, the most important is to look beautiful (for men, of course). That may explain why Russians often judge western women that are "ugly" for them, because don't use make-up and all this stuff all the time.

Date: 2016-09-13 01:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
I think that in Russia, there is just a much more narrow definition of beauty. In the U.S., some women walk around painted, in short skirts and heels also, but definitely not the majority. Here - thick, thin, short, tall...there is an admirer for every type, not just skin and bones. :) Honestly, when I see such women in Russia walking on ice in heels, mini skirts...it just looks completely ridiculous, and I feel quite sorry for them actually. Btw, I want to say that if it is your photo on the avatar, you are really beautiful. I like this natural, kind look in females. :)
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Date: 2016-09-13 01:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vadfred.livejournal.com
кто ничего другого не видел тому и "the best..."

Date: 2016-09-13 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] etraf.livejournal.com
Ой-вей, а тебе хватает велфера на негритянок, мудофиль с Брайтона?

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Date: 2016-09-13 01:42 pm (UTC)
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easier to have sex with? Young woman are the best :)

Date: 2016-09-13 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
There are only young women in Russia? :))

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Such a definition could not be better answer your question

Автор: Н. А. Некрасов

Image

Есть женщины в русских селеньях
С спокойною важностью лиц,
С красивою силой в движеньях,
С походкой, со взглядом цариц,-

Их разве слепой не заметит,
А зрячий о них говорит:
«Пройдет — словно солнце осветит!
Посмотрит — рублем подарит!»

Идут они той же дорогой,
Какой весь народ наш идет,
Но грязь обстановки убогой
К ним словно не липнет. Цветет

Красавица, миру на диво,
Румяна, стройна, высока,
Во всякой одежде красива,
Ко всякой работе ловка.

И голод и холод выносит,
Всегда терпелива, ровна…
Я видывал, как она косит:
Что взмах — то готова копна!

Платок у ней на ухо сбился,
Того гляди косы падут.
Какой-то парнек изловчился
И кверху подбросил их, шут!

Тяжелые русые косы
Упали на смуглую грудь,
Покрыли ей ноженьки босы,
Мешают крестьянке взглянуть.

Она отвела их руками,
На парня сердито глядит.
Лицо величаво, как в раме,
Смущеньем и гневом горит…

По будням не любит безделья.
Зато вам ее не узнать,
Как сгонит улыбка веселья
С лица трудовую печать.

Такого сердечного смеха,
И песни, и пляски такой
За деньги не купишь. «Утеха!»
Твердят мужики меж собой.

В игре ее конный не словит,
В беде — не сробеет,- спасет;
Коня на скаку остановит,
В горящую избу войдет!

Красивые, ровные зубы,
Что крупные перлы, у ней,
Но строго румяные губы
Хранят их красу от людей —

Она улыбается редко…
Ей некогда лясы точить,
У ней не решится соседка
Ухвата, горшка попросить;

Не жалок ей нищий убогий —
Вольно ж без работы гулять!
Лежит на ней дельности строгой
И внутренней силы печать.

В ней ясно и крепко сознанье,
Что все их спасенье в труде,
И труд ей несет воздаянье:
Семейство не бьется в нужде,

Всегда у них теплая хата,
Хлеб выпечен, вкусен квасок,
Здоровы и сыты ребята,
На праздник есть лишний кусок.

Идет эта баба к обедне
Пред всею семьей впереди:
Сидит, как на стуле, двухлетний
Ребенок у ней на груди,

Рядком шестилетнего сына
Нарядная матка ведет…
И по сердцу эта картина
Всем любящим русский народ!

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Date: 2016-09-13 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baroxa.livejournal.com
this kind of stereotype promotes sex tourism. Unfortunately, most of men (and women, too) are proud that beauty (whatever they mean by it) is the only thing is sold best in their country. Same concerns to Ukraine and Belarus..alas
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Date: 2016-09-13 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
I don't know about sex tourism, but the online bride phenomena is alive and strong in such regions of the world...there is a whole industry focused on helping Russian and Ukrainian women find American husbands. We have a TV show here in the U.S. called "90 day fiance"...it chronicles the stories of Americans bringing foreigners into the country on K-1 fiance visas. The men are almost always bringing over brides from this region of the world.

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Date: 2016-09-13 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redheadrat.livejournal.com
Russians are generally extremely narrow minded.

Date: 2016-09-13 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
Yeah, I've noticed...especially about women. :) What a pity.

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Date: 2016-09-13 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vadfred.livejournal.com
так говорят те мужики, которым другие девушки (кроме русских ) не дают..

Date: 2016-09-13 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redheadrat.livejournal.com
да и русские тоже особо не дают

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Date: 2016-09-13 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kremlin-curant.livejournal.com
This is just a part of the modern Russian pseudopatriotism. And that blogger who wrote 75% Russian women are beautiful usually disseminates Kremlin propaganda

Date: 2016-09-13 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
Yes, at first I liked her travel posts, but otherwise her topics and themes are not well supported by logic, which is usual for propaganda. :)

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Date: 2016-09-13 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zamuraev-roman.livejournal.com
Перефразируя Некрасова:
"Слона на скаку остановит, и хобот ему оторвёт..." )))

Date: 2016-09-13 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vasya-vasechkin.livejournal.com
не разозлишь - не оторвёт ;)

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Date: 2016-09-13 01:52 pm (UTC)
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That's funny. The article that the blogger linked to, the title is about russian women while the link is
20160825-Philips-has-found-the-secret-of-the-beauty-of-Korean-women.html

Something here seems not really legit :)

Date: 2016-09-13 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
People are not wise enough to pay attention to small details, especially on LJ. :)) Easy to trick them.

Date: 2016-09-13 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maks j-fry (from livejournal.com)
Yes, only Russians says this. And do you know why? It's simple - because it's truy. It's good to say our women are the best when they're really best. But that would the height of stupidity to say our women are the best if they're not. No offense, bro.

If you have something the best you are probably going to say others about it. For instance, Americans think that they have the best democracy and country in the world and they (you too) always tell - we're the best. But we only have the best women and why would we be silent about it?

Date: 2016-09-13 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baroxa.livejournal.com
best in what? how did you compare it?

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Date: 2016-09-13 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aborigen72.livejournal.com
Не бывает не красивых женщин ,
Бывает мало водки ))))

Date: 2016-09-13 01:58 pm (UTC)

Date: 2016-09-13 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allanyan.livejournal.com
Generally, everyone tends to say that his own woman is the best. There is no exception - the best woman is the one that one loves. And it does not matter where she is from. One can say that women from Poland, Ukraine, Russia or Denmark are more attractive, but it would be just personal opinion.

Date: 2016-09-13 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
What a beautiful response...:)

Date: 2016-09-13 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alena-nvkz.livejournal.com
In my opinion, habitual outlook, facial features, etc – everything one sees every day becomes "the best, most beautiful" in one's perception. Something new could be perceived as exotic rather than beautiful. It's about a habit, not a open-minded comparison. Maybe Italian, American, German men are more modest, so they don't say aloud what they think?

Date: 2016-09-13 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
Hmm...well, maybe you're right but here in America there is no one set of "facial features" or common physical traits seen everyday. Because we have people from all corners of the globe walking on most streets. I don't even know how foreigners can tell if someone is "American". I would not call American men "modest", and can't really speak about Germans, as I've never dated one.
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Date: 2016-09-13 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xuswan.livejournal.com
I think it's a kind of selfconviction. "We have bad roads, life in poverty, but our women are the most beautiful in the world".

Date: 2016-09-13 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
Yes, it is a real source of pride for many Russians. Amazing to me, I cannot even fathom it. :)

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Date: 2016-09-13 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] manulul.livejournal.com
self-persuasion is a beautiful thing :-))

but actually, in Russia it's very important to be pretty
when I say about myself that I'm not, that I'm average, other women think that I have low self-esteem and start pitying me - poor girl, she's so insecure, she needs someone to convince her that she's beautiful
this is frustrating sometimes how much weight is given to beauty as though this is the only thing that makes people valuable

Date: 2016-09-13 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
I consider myself "average" also, men rarely notice me on the streets. I have to infect them with my personal charms, wit and intellect...:)) I'm just a plain Jane, I don't walk around in provocative clothing, with painted face, etc...though I certainly can achieve this look, and will always receive tons more attention from the opposite sex when I do. But I do not like this attention from strangers, or crave it. Being pretty for a female is still considered one of the most important and highest achievements in life...in some countries a higher value is placed on it, for certain.

Date: 2016-09-13 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baroxa.livejournal.com
Shannon, after reading that post, your post and comments - maybe it's not OUR women who are the best, but it's just men who are the worst?)))

Date: 2016-09-13 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
LOL! :) Well, it is very rare for women to comment on any of my posts, so most people writing responses are in fact men.

Date: 2016-09-13 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moskitow.livejournal.com
Ha. Ha. I'm currently in Russia, visiting my mom.....To survive here you really need to be a wonder woman! Crossfit every day with heavy bags, jumping over puddles and avoiding cars that are trying to run you over....
I would say that Russian women are the most patient ever......

Date: 2016-09-13 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
I cannot be chained or burdened by such high standards or demands! God bless the USA! :)))
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Date: 2016-09-13 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yacc11.livejournal.com
Confirm. Our's the best :))))

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Date: 2016-09-13 03:04 pm (UTC)
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That's the part of their bs. By "the best" they mean that those women make food, clean the house, obey, in short, shut up and serve, and in the meantime they are supposed to dress like whores. That satisfies their requirements.

But even with these factors, Ukrainian women beat the Russians.

Actually, any such claim demonstrates a certain level of dehumanization.

Date: 2016-09-13 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leroy-ru.livejournal.com
Beat in serving and dressing like whores?)

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Generalisations hurt, but....

Date: 2016-09-13 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pin-gwin.livejournal.com
As one research showed, beauty perception is strongly connected to the surrounding during childhood, the closer is a face to average, the more it looks beautiful therefore it have stable genes. Consequently, there is a gravitation to your own ethnicity in choosing a partner, particularly the long term one. On Russian girls - they love showing off themselves, they keep themselves in shape and they are capable to. Make up use is excessive sometimes. In opposite - in US there are so many young girls who are obese, wearing wrong dress and shoes, many are slouching and splay-footed. Add the slippers on top.... Many just letting themselves go. But Jesus loves and have a designation for them so why do they have to care about appearance..
Both statements may have massive exceptions, but it reflects the trend in my opinion.

In addition - internal light means a lot more...
In Russian
http://www.stihi-rus.ru/1/Zabolockiy/65.htm

And Translated
https://www.stihi.ru/2010/11/09/2232
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Re: Generalisations hurt, but....

Date: 2016-09-13 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
It is true women do not walk around as living dolls, made up for basic chores and adventures here in the USA. It is just a different, more laid back culture here with regard to appearance and clothing expectations - in both social and business settings. But I see all kinds of overweight people each time I'm in Russia also (both men and women). In fact, I recently looked at statistics and there is only a marginal distinction in the percentage gaps for obesity rates between Russia and the USA - http://www.pravdareport.com/health/14-01-2005/7597-fat-0/. I don't have time now to search the Internet for official reports from various health organizations. Btw, I really hate when men AND women where pajamas out in public...I think it is just the most ridiculous example of laziness. What exactly is "wrong dress" and "wrong shoes"...just curious. :)

Re: Generalisations hurt, but....

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Date: 2016-09-13 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barabaan.livejournal.com

im affraid, you dont like girls, as we do. So that, you have zero chance to understand. Better tell us, men from which country you like the best?😉

Date: 2016-09-13 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
It is not true that I don't like girls. I admire beautiful women as much as any man. But for me beauty is not just the shell of a person. It is the way they walk, the confidence and energy they exude. It does not matter if a woman has the most perfect tits or gorgeous hair, if she behaves as a cold bitch. The latter attribute will be enough to completely turn me away from her, and lose all sense of attraction. Perhaps men are more tolerant in this regard. :) I do not find men from any one country to be most attractive - interesting men are everywhere, here at home and in all foreign countries I've visited.

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Date: 2016-09-13 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maadmike.livejournal.com
Russian women is certainly the best for Russian men because we have many things in common - an education, language, country. I've spoke to men which had traveled at EU or Tailand, so with all the stories they don't lost an interest for Russian women even being there, I think it tells a lot about.
My friend stands near me and I've just asked him your question, he tells that Russians are more beautiful for him...

Date: 2016-09-13 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
This is a good and concrete answer - shared history, culture and education. :) But for me, it is very boring to be with men who are exactly like me. That's why I've always been attracted to foreigners, though cultural distinctions sometimes present challenges in romantic relations.

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