Battle with Orthodox Jew

[peacetraveler22]

Why do people read travel blogs, delve into the pages of journey books, or become intrigued by stories and landscapes from far away countries they will likely never reach? The answer is simple - many people have a strong curiosity about the way others live. The curiosity is often heightened for groups of people who belong to unique sects. Personally, I count the Orthodox Jews in this category. In Old City, Jerusalem they are everywhere yet to photograph them or obtain a stand alone image is very difficult. First, there were immense crowds in Old City, no matter the day I visited. I don't know if this is always the case, or if the crowds swelled due to the overlap of Easter and Passover during the week I was there. Second, they don't like to be photographed. So, when I obtained this photo of a young man walking the street I was happy. I posted the image a few days ago on Instagram, and was immediately attacked by someone with the username "madeinjerusalem."  What upset him?

My opponent, "madeinjerusalem", is a Hasidic Jew. His first comment on the photo was "We're not a museum piece. Grow some manners you sick creature." I don't know why, but sometimes I become infuriated by Internet comments, particularly when they are insulting and even more so when they are judgmental. He continued to lecture me, and in the end threatened to report me to Israeli police. Here's the full exchange:

madeinjerusalemWe're not a museum piece. Grow some manners you sick creature.

peacetraveler22@madeinjerusalem Why such a rude comment? How is my photo disrespectful to you? I see plenty of photos of Orthodox Jews in your feed also.

madeinjerusalem@peacetraveler22 I am an Orthodox Jew who lives in an Orthodox area who has only Orthodox friends who rarely leaves Orthodox areas. When I take photos, and Orthodox people are in them, it is all but normal. When you take pictures OF Orthodox Jews, you are doing it because you think we're some sort of exotic semi-extinct creature running around in the natural habitat of Jerusalem.

madeinjerusalemI can tell from his clothes that this was taken in Shabbos - Saturday. Something tourists are told to refrain from in the old city. From his clothes, I also know his group. A small one. I can go and easily find him, and I'm pretty sure he didn't give his consent. Taking a photo of someone specifically and posting it on the internet without their consent is illegal under Israeli law.

peacetraveler22@madeinjerusalem You do not know me or what I think. People are very interested in your culture, so I show them how you live. The same as I do when visiting all countries. I suggest you take a look at my feed and you will see portraits of people from all over the globe. The world needs more tolerance and acceptance of diverse viewpoints and beliefs. Judgment of others is a horrible quality, no matter the religious affiliation of the person engaged in the behavior. I suggest you don't judge strangers so quickly or presume to know their intentions.

madeinjerusalemDo not photograph people, treating them like an animal in a zoo. Delete the photo, or I contact the Israeli police. Posting a photo of someone specifically online without their consent is illegal.

peacetraveler22@madeinjerusalem It seems you are the one with issues, not me. If you think taking a photo of someone walking in a public space is treating them like an animal in the zoo, you need some self reflection. Feel free to report me to the Israeli police. I'm an American lawyer and can readily defend myself. Btw, you harass everyone on Instagram who posts photos of Orthodox Jews? Or only me? It is not illegal in the U.S. to post someone's photo online, even without their consent, particularly when it's done for educational and cultural purposes. This was my intention when posting. End of conversation.

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Perhaps I'm just being irrational or overly sensitive, with flashbacks to my school years where I was surrounded by judgmental, ultra-conservative Christians on a daily basis.

What do you think? Is my photo disrespectful? It was taken from a distance. No matter the location, I never stand in front of a stranger and snap their photo without asking first. A lot of portraits posted here are taken from a distance with my zoom lens. I don't know how else to explain a place, or show how others live, without photographing them. I'll write more about Old City tomorrow, but in general I did NOT like the overall vibe of this place. I believe this guy is a prime example of how religion poisons people's minds. In his own words, he is "an Orthodox Jew who lives in an Orthodox area who has only Orthodox friends who rarely leaves Orthodox areas." It seems almost impossible to expect a man who surrounds himself with people who are exactly like him in every way, from physicality to mentality, to have an open mind about anything. On his own feed, there are tons of photos of Orthodox Jews, some even taken during prayers. This is okay?

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Comments

[macos.livejournal.com]

Almost all the day has passed and no comments? Something went wrong?

[peacetraveler22.livejournal.com]

I just posted this one minute ago. :) No one attacked you for the photos you posted of Orthodox Jews on Instagram and LJ?

[macos.livejournal.com]

Of course not :) I had a big report about orthodox meeting. But today I had massive attack on my post about abandoned places in Chukotka, neighbor region to Alaska. You can take a look, it's right next door from America

[peacetraveler22.livejournal.com]

I read your post and the comments...Detroit, Detroit, Detroit. :)) It's sad that most Russians have the wrong impression of this city. Parts of it are very nice and interesting, and the abandonment is in a very confined space. But you know this. Maybe people didn't attack you in the Israel posts because you're Jewish? Btw, are there a lot of reports from Alaska on LJ? I don't know how to search for them here?

Ученье свет, а неученье тьма

[andrey-kaminsky.livejournal.com]

You are to blame for everything! Your laziness in studying the russian language was the cause of this unpleasant and useless discus. Just a few well-chosen words in russian would explaine that man that he is wrong:) Medications are often bitter, but the man really needs treatment.

[macos.livejournal.com]

just try this

аляска livejournal

Re: Ученье свет, а неученье тьма

[peacetraveler22.livejournal.com]

I can't understand his mentality or reasoning - how it's okay for him to display photos of Orthodox Jews but not me. If readers tell me the photo is insensitive or disrespectful, I will remove it. But I don't believe it to be so.

[peacetraveler22.livejournal.com]

Спасибо! ;)

[a-nimaida.livejournal.com]

not understood
bad photo?
why?

[peacetraveler22.livejournal.com]

I do not understand either! :) I thought readers could help me understand madeinjerusalem's viewpoint, because I can't make sense of his reasoning. Finally, you and I agree on something!! :))

Re: Ученье свет, а неученье тьма

[andrey-kaminsky.livejournal.com]

Of course, this is right to attempt to understand a person. But not all people are worth the time spent on them. But this humorist is really funny ;)

Re: Ученье свет, а неученье тьма

[peacetraveler22.livejournal.com]

It's a sickness of mine...to try to understand people's mentality and reasoning, even if they are unworthy of the time.

[notabler.livejournal.com]

I like this picture very much. Very handsome, interesting face on brilliant background. I think, this guy, is just insecure and angry person, who can't image that somebody can have just pure interest in a person without religious perception. So don't be upset, I think you are right and haven't done anything wrong or insulting

Re: Ученье свет, а неученье тьма

[andrey-kaminsky.livejournal.com]

I'm sex-troling only worthy people;)
you are wonderful

Re: Ученье свет, а неученье тьма

[peacetraveler22.livejournal.com]

:)

[peacetraveler22.livejournal.com]

Thanks for your thoughts. I don't see anything sensationalist or disrespectful about the photo either.

[qi-tronic.livejournal.com]

This is called "butthurt" :)

This guy actually knows himself that he is a member of a strange sect looking totally ridiculous to others.
But he will aggressively defend them even when nobody is actually attacking.
If he was really strong in his beliefs and the accompanying lifestyle then he would be peaceful.

If he said first "we are not a museum piece" when you did not provoke it then it is always on his mind "Are we a museum piece already?"
Fighting with you he was fighting with his own thoughts.

All sorts of extremism, Islamic and others, emerge not in a traditional society but when the world is actually changing.

[yarowind.livejournal.com]

>>I read your post and the comments...Detroit, Detroit, Detroit. :))


I'm sure they never been in Detroit:)

[g-kar.livejournal.com]

Imo, this is just some fat troll.
The picture is too neutral to cause such butthurt :)

[siberian-cat.livejournal.com]

I disagree with this guy, but I think I understand his feelings. Imagine yourself living in a secluded community like his; every time you step outside, you see people staring at you, taking pictures of you, making remarks. Not everyone likes attention of this sort, even if the onlookers are not hostile to you. You would probably feel yourself an exotic animal. Of course, he is overreacting, but that's the way humans are. :)

He feels he has a right to take pictures of his fellows because he is an insider and cannot be accused of idle curiosity. It's like some Black teens can freely call each other "nigga" but would never tolerate it from a Caucasian, however friendly he is. Again, it's not very rational, but it's human.

[real-marsel.livejournal.com]

There are many people in internets, who are sick and psychiatrist never heal them. You are not able to change them, their goal is rend and ruin your comfort. Total ignor will kill such ugly persons.

[peacetraveler22.livejournal.com]

This is why your recent reports about Detroit are very important. :) I hope my readers take a look through your eyes and reports so they can see the reality of the situation.

[a-nimaida.livejournal.com]

Well, I'm a free man, as you
we do not understand)))
 

in this case, it is not a global problem

  this particular problem madeinjerusalem
madeinjerusalem has some problems with the understanding of the world

[peacetraveler22.livejournal.com]

Exactly - the picture and my description of it on Instagram is neutral. I don't see how malice can be interpreted from the image. This is a manifestation of his own psychosis, not mine.

[yarowind.livejournal.com]

yup!:)