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peacetraveler22 ([personal profile] peacetraveler22) wrote2013-08-21 11:41 pm

Russian Men vs. American Men

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In general, I'm always amazed how often bloggers discuss women on LJ! Everything about them - appearance, age, mentality - dissecting every single component of their being. So many amusing comments in this recent post comparing German and Russian women. And where are all the stories analyzing men, their looks and their behaviors? I rarely see them. Today for the English speakers, I'll share an interesting discussion about Russian and American men.

I know a lot of Russian men, but I've never dated one. Could I? I guess it's possible, but he would have to be progressive with modern views about women and their roles in relationships. In general, I don't consider someone's ethnicity in the dating equation. Each person is an individual, with their own unique traits. I've dated Americans, Eastern Europeans (Slovak and Ukrainian) and two Jewish guys. The most important factor is finding someone with a similar mentality who shares my passions and life goals. Maybe he's Russian, maybe he's American, maybe he's African? I don't know because I haven't found any man who keeps me stimulated on the level I wish long-term.

Recently someone sent me a link to an article entitled "I Love (and Hate) Dating Russian Men." You can read the full text here. The author is a young Russian woman who grew up in St. Petersburg, moved to New York and is now back in Russia teaching English. She has dated both American and Russian men, and her observations on the differences are highly amusing. The article is very long, so I'll summarize the main points and offer my input on American men. Female readers, your input about Russian men is very important. :) Reveal the truth, because some of the observations made by this Russian woman are disturbing!

The story begins with a recap of a drunken party in some Russian village. She's hanging out with her Russian boyfriend and some other friends, when all of a sudden another guy puts his arm around her. Her boyfriend gets angry and starts punching him in the face. At first, she views this as a good thing, a man defending her honor. Then the boyfriend shifts the blame on her. "Did I tell you you could talk to him?!" And this leads to her first observation: Russian men are patriarchal alpha males, and feel obligated to look after women at all times. In her mind, this is a huge turn-on. Personally, I hate it. I can't stand overly aggressive men. Men who try to control every movement of my day or life - it will never work.

Here are some other observations:

Russian men are more aggressive, obvious and persistent when it comes to romantic intentions. In her words, "you don't meet a Russian man, you are chosen by one." In contrast, American men tend to stop sexual/romantic pursuits when a woman indicates they're repulsed by his presence.

Russian attitude toward rape is medieval. "It happens...that's life." Wandering penises are common and infidelity is widespread and acceptable from a male point of view.


Then, a very interesting discussion on sexual differences between Russian and American men. The Russian author portrays Western men as being completely passive and over-accommodating in bed, asking if we "need a pillow" or "a glass of water." I don't know who she slept with, but if any man asked me these questions during sex I'd kick him out of bed. It has never happened. But she correctly notes that most women want a man who's "a gentleman at dinner and an animal in bed." Well, I prefer a gentle animal. :))

"During sex, you want to completely transcend the cognitive prison and corporeal self in which we are always encased, becoming nothing but senses. This the Russian man understands. He leaves behind any semblance of propriety, responding only to primal urges, losing himself in you entirely. Of course, the major downside of this caveman treatment is that Russian men still follow the egotistical 'sex is a favor that women do for men' mentality...it's still not customary for Russian men to perform oral sex, although they will expect it."

I agree with the author's general thoughts on sex, but American men gladly perform oral sex. It's an absolute must for me, and I've never had a man hesitate. If a man refused, I couldn't have a sexual relationship with him. One more distinction on the sexual front - almost all American men are circumcised. Over the weekend, a straight Russian man on another blog decided to argue with me on this point. If you need a good laugh, read the comment thread starting here. I think the author exaggerates the sexual distinctions between Russian and American men. For me, it's irrelevant because I'm very vocal in bed. If a man is being too gentle or primal, I'll tell him. Most American men appreciate it, but I'm not sure how a Russian man would react if a woman started giving him directions in bed?

Next the author states that "love in a Russian man is expressed in a type of tender savagery. Russian men crush your body, not because they want to hurt you, but out of an excess of feeling. They squeeze you tightly because they want to possess you fully, and to possess always means, to some extent, to first destroy. They bite your neck and bruise your arms for the same reason that tigers claw on the trees to mark their spot: to show other beasts of the jungle that you are taken, that there is a man to whom you belong."

The word "possess" should not be used in human relationships. No person should be fully controlled. A couple is one unit, but each person should maintain individuality and interests, have outside friends and hobbies. A woman is not a piece of property to be "possessed," "controlled" or "fixed-up." Neither is a man.

Russian men always pay for everything and bring lots of flowers and gifts. They are willing to commit but not necessarily stay faithful. In contrast, American men want more casual relationships with multiple women and generally marry much later.

This is the most accurate statement in the article - American men don't want to commit and casual sex, even among friends, is very common.
People move from one person to the next, screwing everyone in their path. Treating sex like a recreational sport rather than something meaningful. The concept of "friends with benefits" is mainstream. Personally, I don't care if people have casual sex but it's not for me. I can't just hop into bed with strangers and have any sense of fulfillment. It may feel good in the moment, but afterwards there's a complete sense of emptiness. I absolutely must know a man well and trust him before I have sex. It doesn't have to be love, but there must be some type of connection (intellectual, artistic or emotional).

What the author hates most about American men is that they're too passive, not defending her honor when other men look at her, etc. Yet she also complains that Russian men are too controlling and overbearing, checking in on her every move, needing to know every detail of her life. In my mind, the author is a typical 25 year old woman who doesn't know what she wants. She wants men to be aggressive and protective, but only when it benefits her.

In the end, it seems easier to know when a Russian man is romantically interested because they make it obvious. The same is NOT true for American men. Their intentions often are unclear - does he want to be friends or something more? Of course, you can just ask but I'll never do it. I'll never be the initial aggressor in a romantic relationship. A man will always have to make the first move physically to transition the relationship from friendship onto another level.

The fact that American men don't pay for things as often as their Russian counterparts is meaningless to me. In America, it's very common for couples to go "dutch," meaning they split dating and household costs equally. I never expect a man to pay for anything, and I don't understand the concept. I'm a grown woman, have a career and make my own money. I can afford to pay for my own meal and see no reason why a man should pay for it. Why do men want to pay? To convey they are "providers"? And why do women think men should pay for everything? Explain.

Just a reminder that these aren't MY views of Russian men. I'm only summarizing what the author of the article wrote. The Russian men I know don't behave in this manner, but I'm not in a romantic relationship with any of them.

In my life, there has to be a delicate balance where a man doesn't treat me like a kitten in a tree to be rescued, yet still serves as an emotional protector and rock. I don't want a man who simply craves a doll on his arm, with absolutely no intellect or opinion of her own. Mostly, I need a man to challenge me creatively and intellectually, provide emotional support and pleasant companionship through the journey we call life. To teach me things and stir my adventurous spirit. If a Russian man can do this, I'll welcome him with open arms. :)


[identity profile] qi-tronic.livejournal.com 2013-08-22 04:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I really thought a long time what to answer...

Whatever I say can be true or not true because in Russia there are a lot of people with different education, cultural background and habits.
It's like in America O J Simpson and Woody Allen would probably treat women differently :)

For example, I do oral sex with pleasure, consider a woman orgasm as the goal of sex, but do not like to pay for others :)
But I paid for girls' meal because it's prescribed by the culture and they would not understand the opposite.

If you look from the traditional family building point of view it's logical.
One man and one woman are building a vehicle for procreation together.
So the man should demonstrate abilities to organize events for his girl and pay for them.
And the girl should demostrate willingness to go where her man leads her and accept what he offers with a nice smile.
If they go well together and like the same then the family will work well.

You know, as a programmer, I always think how to build complex systems that work well :)

Concerning your situation I think it should be a man that is willing to pay for your travels so you can stop the paper work you doing now and concentrate on things you really like.

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2013-08-22 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
As a lawyer, I'm trained to articulate everything and think only with reasoning and logic. But love doesn't work that way. :) I'd be happy if anyone paid me to travel. I probably need to investigate freelance opportunities on U.S. travel sites, where I could cross-post my LJ travel stories. That way, I could grow my audience further than the Russian sector. I wish LJ would work w/an English language blogger, but they don't seem interested. I'd be happy to leave my lawyer life and do something more interesting, but I need an income to live. :)

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[identity profile] olgor.livejournal.com 2013-08-23 02:06 am (UTC)(link)
I would say that this is not because of so called "gratification generation", but due to new economical reality.
Look around - it is not necessarily anymore to live together to survive. Everybody is atomic autonomic economic unit.
And this unit is not going to put on risk his comfortable lifestyle only because he/she made a wrong choice.
Breaking of gender roles, disintegration and atomicity of society, mass obesity, infantile behavior, substitution of kids by cats and men by dogs and so on and so forth.
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[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2013-08-23 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)
A dog is no replacement for a real man! :)) Btw, it's possible I'll be in your area in late October for business. If so, I'll be sure to write.

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[identity profile] plushevii-zaits.livejournal.com 2013-08-23 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for interesting post and your answers! Now, the only thing left I can't help thinking about - are there wandering penises equipped with their own legs to wander, and what they might look like? Sadly, you neglected to elaborate:) All I could imagine were little quadrupled creatures bravely fighting for their freedom with severe monogamist women who throw a lariat and strive to rope them in:))) But, I'm not quite sure that it was what you meant:)

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2013-08-23 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
What about you? Do you think you could date an American? Or, we're too alien? Kind of like the mysterious wandering penises. :))

[identity profile] rider3099.livejournal.com 2013-08-23 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
:)))
My dear Shannon, I'm very sorry for this Russian woman and for your wrong impression about Russian men. You know all of us are different and there are a lot of really good people and jerks as well between different nationalities. I'm sure that this woman just out of luck.

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2013-08-23 06:14 pm (UTC)(link)
The author of the article clearly exaggerated fact for entertainment purposes. I don't share her impression of Russian men. The ones I know are nice, and of course you're right. There are jerks in every country. But the topic is fun and makes for a good post. :)
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[identity profile] real-marsel.livejournal.com 2013-08-27 02:48 pm (UTC)(link)
"Why do men want to pay?" This is russian upbringing. Even if you wan't pay.

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2013-08-27 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Some American women also have this "princess" mentality, but it's not the norm.

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[identity profile] anna-sollanna.livejournal.com 2013-10-02 12:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Very strange article! I have never met Russian men described in it. Furthermore, men I used to date were almost contrary to those described by Diana Brook. The were rather passive in relationship, I can even say that they allowed me to love them. I used to feel that I was freezing near them without any significant amount of their love... As for presents and flowers - I can't remember me getting them without any significant reasons such as my birthday and so on.. (Btw, even my husband doesn't present me flowers at all. And I can't say that I like this habit.)
As for sex - well, sometimes I wished men to be more... no, not more active, but more selfish (in good meaning of this word). Yes, they practiced oral sex, but sometimes it seemed to me that they did it not to please me but to prove themselves that they can provide their partner an orgasm. (And every time when I was not able to give them this feeling I felt guilty...) And sometimes it was enough for me that only they had their own orgasm.
And it looks like my views on relationships are more 'American' than 'Russian'. I prefer to let men pay for me only if I am ready for the further relationships. And I see nothing bad in sex between friends (it's very pity that Russian men don't practice it...)
PS The situation described in the beginning of Diana's article is disgusting IMHO. Fight is not an option for civilized people to solve their problems... I think I would break off such a guy immediately after fight... not to mention of blaming me in being a guilty of the whole situation.

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2013-10-02 04:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm the same as you. I don't understand how it's a turn on for a guy to punch someone. To me it's a sign of weakness not "manliness." I think in some ways Russian men are more closed off with expressing their feelings than American men. But honestly all men, no matter the nation, are sometimes very difficult! :))

(Anonymous) 2013-10-29 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm puertorican and I date a russian man from russia. He moved to America when he was 12 . He is now 21 and very fluent in American language and culture. He has treated me the best. He is caring and sweet and values honesty and being truthful. However he is very prtotective. Not happy with me having male friends and sure does not like any man to even text me or call me and yes is very needy for sex and quit rude when he dont get it ... This i have not experienced with american men

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2013-10-29 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a very interesting combo - Puertorican and Russian! In my experience, Russian men are more stubborn than American men, not as patient or good at compromise. At 21, I believe all men are needy for sex! Russian men are probably just more vocal about it. :)) Btw, how did you find my blog and this story?

The difference between Russian and American men

(Anonymous) 2013-11-17 12:40 am (UTC)(link)
I know both American and Russian men very very well. Here are the differences:

1. Russian men think that the world revolves around them. Especially women. They are there for one purpose and one purpose only - to serve the man. To make him dinner, tell him sweet nothings, pay attention to him and do his laundry.

2. Russian men cheat on their women. And they don't even feel guilty about it. It is a part of culture. If you are guy, you cheat, whether you are married or not.

3. Russian men think that Russian men are the best. They have an over-inflated ego that everybody else have to adhere to. American men just don't care. They can joke about it, but they really don't care.

4. Russian men are smelly. Not sure why. They don't wash their clothes often enough, don't shower often enough and don't use a deodorant. At least that's what they smell like.

5. American men (for the most part) treat women as equals. Russian men treat women as their possessions, like she is a weakling or a handicapped during courtship and then they treat you as a domestic slave.

6. When American men give you flowers, they don't act like they deserve a purple heart for doing it.

7. Domestic violence in Russia is expected. Domestic violence in America is something that the government is actually trying to prevent.

8. Russian men expect women to do all the housework. Some of them help out (very rarely) but the expectation is that a woman has to cook, clean and take care of the children.

9. American men are circumcised (at least 99% of them).

10. American men are better in sex. They actually know what to do. Russian men just huff and puff, and they do not know what it takes to satisfy a woman.

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[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2013-11-17 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, American men treat women as equals. I prefer it that way. :) Do you live in America or Russia? Thanks for your comments, very interesting!

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[identity profile] bodurobrus.livejournal.com 2014-01-06 03:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Факт, слишком длинная новость

(Anonymous) 2014-09-10 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
So...I found both articles interesting. And Agree with most of comments above all men are different. I'm from Russia but moved to US when I was 14, only had one Russian boyfriend though out all my life (I'm 30 now) and as two wondering 17 year olds we did everything including oral, so there was no problem there, however I had heard a few Russian men say that it's is " beneath them" or nasty to go down on a woman, same goes for some Russian women, well, luckily for me most of my sexual upbringing took place in the great US and A and I never considered it gross or bad lol. But however I will say this, all things sexual was a terrible taboo for a long time in Russia, sex was something that women "allowed men and only after marriage" and any woman admitting to having strong sexual appetites would be labeled a nympho. I'm not a shrink or anything but I can see how that would lead to somewhat distorted views on what;s normal or nasty over time.

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2014-09-10 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Well life in America and life in Russia are different in many ways. However, it's my impression that what goes on in bedrooms behind closed doors is essentially the same, no matter the nation. :) The only distinction is how open people are in discussing, or expressing interest in, sexual topics in public. For me, it's completely normal to discuss sex with friends (both male and female), even when not having any. :))

[identity profile] aehie.livejournal.com 2014-10-16 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for the very interesting post!

I am a Russian, I've been living in the US for 2 years. Well, it is very hard for me to compare Russian and American men. I haven't dated much (my relationships have never lasted for less than 5 years )), and I have never dated an American, so my judgement is based more on what I see around.

The "portrait of a Russian man" described here is just our cultural stereotype of a "True Man". Women are looking for him, boys try to resemble him, but he does not exist in reality. My first man "chose me", followed my every step, "defended my honor", but at the same time we often went Dutch in a restaurant. He made me to give up my college so that I could work and contribute money. He gave me gifts, but I made gifts of about the same value. I had several friends (girls) with similar stories: they had to give up their aspirations -- totally or partially -- because their spouses wanted them to earn money. On the other hand, I had friends who would never allow me to pay for myself, even when they were very short on budget. My Russian husband encouraged me to continue my education, and supported me during this time. And he didn't feel uncomfortable when I became a bread-earner.

Same thing about the USA. Yes, it is supposed that women are independent and have equal rights, etc., yet I heard quite a few men saying that a woman is inferior to a man, and from time to time I meet victims of domestic abuse. Most disturbing, I find Americans so judging... Well, I live in Texas, there are so many Christians here.

Lastly, about casual sex. It has never happened to me, and no one of my female friends confessed in such things. Again, I am pretty sure that it happens there as often as in the USA, but the attitude is different (especially when it comes to women). Same thing about adultery: I suspect the rate is about the same in both countries, but American men conceal it better because of a public attitude.

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2014-10-17 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
My pleasure! Thank you for reading. :) Unfortunately, domestic abuse, rape and other crimes against women occur everywhere. Texas - it's a very conservative State. I live in liberal land, right outside of Washington, DC. I'm a bit of a free spirit, definitely not conservative. :)

[identity profile] iratus.livejournal.com 2014-10-16 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Funny...
First thing you do is admit, that you have never actually dated Russian men. Then you attempt to transmit to us the content of an article someone else wrote.
And at the end you proclaim that you are too independent and self-sufficient to be attractive to most Russian men. How very cliche of you.

What if I'll tell you , that there is no such thing as "Russian" people and "American" people, especially with regards to inter-gender relationships. Every one behaves differently, based on their up-bringing, level of education, inherent subtlety of the mind et cetera...
Thus this type of discussions is totally useless, I presume. You have to talk about specific person not some abstract "russian"...

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2014-10-17 02:33 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, I agree with you. Each person is an individual, and I said this in the post. However, this doesn't mean that gender relations and interactions in all countries are the same. There are variations throughout the globe. This is what makes the world an interesting place. :)

[identity profile] 15e601.livejournal.com 2014-10-16 11:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Dunno what do you actually mean by "Russian attitude toward rape is medieval. "It happens...that's life.""
Genereally rapists are the most despised persons.

"The story begins with a recap of a drunken party in some Russian village."
"then the boyfriend shifts the blame on her. "Did I tell you you could talk to him?!"
How it's any different from teh rednecks? At least as your shows and movies are presenting them)


"Is it true that casual sex isn't common in Russia? I find this very hard to believe."
It depends.
1-2 university's grades student living in dormitory or 30+ y.o. persons, for example.

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2014-10-17 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
"Russian attitude toward rape is medieval" - this is not my statement. I was summarizing what the Russian woman wrote in her article. So this is the observation of a native Russian.

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[identity profile] o-goncho.livejournal.com 2014-10-17 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
Don't know what Russian men are like but I am married to a Chinese woman and it's been going well. Can't say for sure if it has much to do with where she's from. It does seem rather naïve to generalize like that.

EDIT: It's best to look for well-traveled people with jobs and those who aren't jerks or anything bad. People in Russia are often conservative and few men make decent husbands. There is also a problem of culture or of how people do things. You need to move past that and find some common ground in terms of how you look at everything.
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[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2014-10-17 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
Nationality plays absolutely no role in my decision to date someone. But, as I wrote above, it doesn't mean that there aren't cultural distinctions in gender relations. That's what the Russian woman was discussing in her article.

russian female the defender!)

[identity profile] amphetaminoz.livejournal.com 2014-10-17 09:57 am (UTC)(link)
may I ask, where are u from originally? your ethnicity?
first, how can u judge all male russians according to your experience and someone's observations (though she is a russian from st.petersburg, she is still a lady with her OWN experience and she attracts boyfriends ONLY from her social network)? how can you ever group people like that? if i imagine a Russian man with the bunch of characteristics you've described, well... then i get shocked because its simply impossible, it is not a regular russian man i've been facing all my life with.
second, ethnicity never says much about real personality, especially when a one leaves his\her native land. i've met many decent americans (mostly 33-35+), who don't take sex airily, the definition of "casual sex" doesn't exist in their mind ("rare americans" you'll say, huh?). and yes, russian men don't do casual sex often. neither men nor women, that's our upbringing, our culture, our accomplishment, our heritage! there are always exceptions - but they are as far as they eye can see. you will always encounter exceptions
third. let me disagree, finally. aggressive? oh yes, may be when a one gets drunk it happens. the guy #1 punched the guy #2 in face cause #2 took liberties... well, what is the crowd and what are the relationships when this "all of sudden" happens? is the guy #2 so stupid and he didn't know his (russian) culture as good as you do so he couldn't help but had his face black and blue eventually?)) i love this chapter of yours (of her) :)))) it was a very shady crowd back to the village and this is not a disadvantage of all russian men - this is a one of a girl you have honor to know and to summarize. again, the way we are is the way of people have been attracted in our life
forth, yes, they pay for us and we don't mind - why should we? this is not actually about paying in a particular moment under particular conditions (restaurant, taxi, store, wherever), but this is an attitude towards paying. when he pays for me he feels good. and i love giving him this feeling. when i dated a poor student long time ago he was spending all money on me , i was confused!!!)of course these actions embarrassed me a lot! but every time when i refused of his paying he aggrieved on me, do you understand? he didn't consider it right if i paid myself! there is nothing we need to prove, we don't show our self-sufficiency this way, what for?))
certainly man always pays if he invited first, not because i don't want to pay - russian lady always ready to cash out!-but because we are used to it, and if men asks to share bill, it definitely shoots down romantic promises of him, or there are simply no promises so he ask to share, or he simply saves money
all i'm saying, we are ready to be paid, we don't owe nothing instead, we are just being feminine and that's how we see femininity
fifth, certainly, i wish you to get your personal life on the right track, to find a soulmate and if russian - let him be the best russian man you knew!
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[identity profile] frl-gebbels.livejournal.com 2014-10-17 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
It looks like i've been dating with wrong russian men. XD Maybe my "american girl"-acting is the cause. When someone tries to tell my what should i do or whom i must not talk to, he goes "nakhui s plyaja" (i mean he get's the f**ck out of me). But somehow all the guys surrounding me are really nice and caring. Those guys, who respect others needs. So there are a lot of russian men, who don't hit the description.
Otherwise, many russian women complain, that russian men are not like that. I mean, they don't pay for your dinner, don't protect you and so on. Just understand me correctly, lot's of russian girls earn enough, but this is kinda tradition, showing, that men can care about you. It was all normal before western culture came. And now it's neither one thing nor another: too many guys now think, that paying for your dinner is a favour you should (or must) refund (meaning sex of course). That's why me personally prefer to do it myself.
I've never dated foreigners (i'm russian... kinda), but a man of your dream as you describe him really could be russian. :) And it's really bullshit what the girl writes about oral sex: it follows from this that i'm a russian man (O_o) cause i really hate cunnilingus. :) Sometimes it's really hard to repel someone's attempt to perform it.

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2014-10-18 03:29 pm (UTC)(link)
You are probably just a smart woman, with discerning taste in men. You don't sound desperate, and therefore wait for a good man. If he proves to be a jerk early in the relationship, you probably tell him to fu*k off and sending him out the door. I'm the same in some ways. Although we must sometimes be forgiving, as no one is perfect. :)

I would like to speak about the girl, who wrote that "masterpice"

[identity profile] quark-555.livejournal.com 2014-10-17 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I am Russian living in Sweden currently (PhD in Physics).
1. Tooooooooo long to read through.
2. The girl, who wrote THIS, we have a special, rather rude, idiom (but very precise): stupid cunt. I will explain later.

To some extent, what she wrote is true. Those qualities are strongly popular within people of low education or zombined with propaganda from TV. Or simply old fashioned, full of patriarch stereotypes.

There is another group of men, who are in fact do not differ much from the western ones. And she does not mention them. That is the first sign of who she is. She simply does not know about their existence since she never dated with them (of course, what pretty russian girl would date with a glass wearing nerd?). Tell me who you friend is, an I will tell you who you are (C).

There is one thing you should keep in mind: among vast majority of russian girls/women any foreigner is thought to be much better than the local men/guys. Therefore they will find and describe numerous "disadvantages" about the Russians, but will not see disadv. of the Western ones. Looks like this girl is one of them. Therefore whenever she writes, even stating disadvantages of the Western men, she will always conclude, that last ones are much better. Even comparing a "toilet cleaner" and a person with doctoral degree.

As you also mentioned, " She wants men to be aggressive and protective, but only when it benefits her." This is the second sign. For me it's not a sign of "too young", but rather not very smart girl. Here we come to one big problem: most of Russian women want these contradicting qualities. Of course, normal people can't accommodate contradicting personalities, and there are not so much of schizophrenic around, so the women conclude that "most of Russian men are not good enough for them". In addition, this majority treats themselves as "princesses".

Re: I would like to speak about the girl, who wrote that "masterpice"

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2014-10-18 03:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I hate this "cunt" word. It's the most derogatory word for a female and too harsh in this instance. I understand your points though. Some women are very difficult to please, they say they want one thing but mentally they wish for the opposite, etc. But men put up with this behavior and feed the beast, so I can't feel too sorry for them. And it's the same for women with asshole men. There's a choice to pick up and leave. As we say in America, there are many fish in the sea. :)

[identity profile] sputnik1234.livejournal.com 2014-12-31 10:43 am (UTC)(link)
I can not do oral though my girlfriend do it almost every time. I do not why but I simply can not though I enjoy than my gf do it. I think it might humilliate my. i prefer to make rules and I act very bossy with my gf in our bed.

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2015-01-04 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
You wish to receive, but never give? This is selfish behavior. Why is it humiliating for you to do oral, but not your girlfriend? Ah, mysterious Russian mind!! :))

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[identity profile] fantazuuma.livejournal.com 2015-01-04 06:31 am (UTC)(link)
Haven't dated a Russian man for ages. As for the spendings, I find Europeans generous and romantic, whereas Americans kind of expect that women will just fall on them like apples from the trees, and Russians are quite drinking and posessive.

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2015-01-04 06:38 am (UTC)(link)
Possessive men are the worst, at least in my opinion. I don't like someone controlling me or monitoring my every move. I need a lot of alone time and freedom. I guess this is the main reason I've been single so long. :)

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[identity profile] rab-rassudka.livejournal.com 2015-01-04 07:20 am (UTC)(link)
Американские мужчины любят быть главными и подчинять себе других. Любят пойти на подлость если она поможет им в достижении их цели. Американские мужчины любят начинать войны против тех, кто слабее их, а воевать предпочитают на расстоянии, устраивая бомбардировки. Или чужими руками. Русские мужчины войн начинать не любят, но любят сломать хребет тому, кто к ним придёт с войной, вырвать ему кадык и сожрать.

[identity profile] rab-rassudka.livejournal.com 2015-01-04 07:21 am (UTC)(link)
The American men like to be the main things and to subordinate to themselves others. Like to go on meanness if it helps them with achievement of their purpose. The American men like to begin wars against those who is weaker than them, and prefer to be at war on distance, arranging bombardments. Or another's hands. Russian men of wars do not like to begin, but like to break a ridge to the one who to them will come with war, to pull out to it an Adam's apple and to gobble up.

[identity profile] salaarhlaalu.livejournal.com 2015-01-04 07:43 am (UTC)(link)
О чём тут?

[identity profile] maski87.livejournal.com 2015-01-04 08:43 am (UTC)(link)
Все мужики козлы. Русские мужики.

[identity profile] world-with-me.livejournal.com 2015-01-04 07:59 am (UTC)(link)
It's simple. American independent woman decide to find some man at the end of the day)

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2015-01-04 05:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm independent and have been single for over five years. But I'm open to a relationship and love. Only with the right man, not just "anyone" to fill time and end loneliness. I have no problem waiting for the right person. Perhaps someday he will come along. :)

[identity profile] alexandrdremov.livejournal.com 2015-01-04 08:12 am (UTC)(link)
I think you are confusing the cause and the consequences. In fact russian woman(who is spoiled and greedy right now) are insisting that a man will throw money, power, fancy car, etc at her or at least would pay for coffee in a cafe. And in return a man has a every right to expect from a woman to follow his orders, bacause he has, in fact, bought her. Literally. And if you dont like such state of things, you don't need to search for a guy with western mentality. All have to do is to create a profile on a russian dating site(mamba will do fine) and write there openly that you have lots of money and ready to spend them on your bedfellow as long as he satisfies your whims. You will be surprised how many russian men will throw away their mentality and make themselves available. It has nothing to do btw with nationality or gender stereotypes. That's how capitalism works. Man and woman, rich and poor, strong and weak, pier woodman and natasha, employer and employee. You westerners just learned to obfuscate such state of things political correctness and random meaningless words like freedom, human rights etc, etc. I don't want evet spend my time on typing them. That's btw why we dont like you and you dont like us. You know how make nasty things look a decent things, and we he in russia dont know how and that is more important dont want to. Here in russia, young capitalistic country we like to name things with their real names: if i have the money and you desperately need them you will do what i want you to do and if you refuse after taking money, i will force you to act as i desire. That is btw how your government acts with all its international monetary funds and "no flight zones".
Sorry for possible mistakes, i am a little bit sober right now.

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2015-01-04 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
"That's btw why we dont like you and you dont like us..." You are mistaken. This hate and hostility only comes from one end - yours. Americans do not think about Russia, or hold hostility toward Russians. If you do not believe me, I suggest you read the blog of my friend Alexander Belenkiy, who has traveled all over the USA. We just returned from driving over 3000 miles last week through the Mid-West, where we met many people in both cities and rural villages. He told all of them he is Russian and there was no negative reaction. Treated the same as everyone else. And this mentality of a woman being "bought" is sick. I would never support a man, and don't expect to be supported either. A relationship should be equal, give and take. Take a look at the American stories here, if you want to know the "true" America and Americans. http://macos.livejournal.com/

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