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peacetraveler22 ([personal profile] peacetraveler22) wrote2015-02-05 12:17 pm

Секс в США - Harassment in the American Workplace

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About five years ago, a hot Ukrainian lifeguard started working at my apartment pool. I was in my mid-30's at the time, and he was only 18. Yet one day he swam up to me, flashed his charming smile, and we chatted for a very long time. I think he had absolutely no clue how old I was, but it didn't really matter. We instantly had great and deep conversations, about a wide range of topics, and remain close friends to this day.

I remember vividly something he told me about his lifeguard training before he arrived to the USA to participate in the work/travel program. The instructors informed the male lifeguards that American women are different, that sexual harassment laws in the U.S. are strict, and that a man can easily be convicted for flirtatious advances that would be considered ordinary and acceptable in other cultures. I don't know where all this paranoia comes from, but I want to explain briefly how sexual harassment laws work in America. Because the instructors were totally wrong. The most important lesson for the day - don't be afraid to talk to an American woman, compliment her, flirt with her, or ask her out....trust me, you will not be jailed for such actions. :))

First, sexual harassment laws mostly protect women and men in the workplace, not every day life situations. There are both Federal and State laws. In general, there are two types of sexual harassment actionable under U.S. law: (1) "quid pro quo" - this is an offer from a supervisor to receive a promotion, higher salary, or career advancement in exchange for sexual favors, or a threat of demotion if the subordinate refuses his advances; (2) "hostile work environment" - this is the more popular ground for a sexual harassment lawsuit. Women sometimes complain their work environment is "hostile" because the boss is a goat, jerk, looks at her in a sexual way, etc.

However, mere allegations of this type of behavior will never be enough to prevail in a sexual harassment lawsuit in America. The standard of proof for the Plaintiff is very, very high, and evidence must be documented and ongoing. In other words, the behavior must usually be repetitive to win a sexual harassment lawsuit. Victims need to have written documentation, witnesses, and sometimes even psychological reports to verify the impact the harassment has had on them. Without this, it's unlikely any judge or jury will find the person's work environment to be "hostile." Of course, strange cases always slip through the cracks and judges and juries sometimes get it wrong.


"Quid pro quo" is much easier to prove if there is written documentation. Obviously, if your boss is stupid enough to send an email or leave a voice mail message saying something like "fuck me, and you'll get the promotion..." he is pretty much screwed. And not in the way he wishes. :)

The public misunderstands the high burden on a person to prove sexual harassment. It takes a lot to convince a judge or jury that an employer's conduct transcended ordinary office nastiness or flirtation into illegal harassment. The Supreme Court once held that these laws are not a "general civility code for the American workplace." They are meant to protect people from flagrant and obvious violations by superiors.

Before I became a lawyer, I worked at a big law firm as a receptionist. How many jerks did I have to deal with? A lot. Numerous businessmen would come to the front desk to check in for meetings, comment on me and my co-workers physical appearance, even say things like "nice tits", etc. Did I drag each of them into court? No. :) Mostly because I don't care if men make these remarks in passing. I simply ignore them, but if they continued for a long period of time, or the men routinely touched me in an inappropriate manner, I would file a complaint with my employer. I assume it's the same in Russia? I doubt it's acceptable for a boss to be touching a woman's ass, stroking her hair or making suggestive comments in the workplace. And the same for a female boss behaving sexually toward a male subordinate.

A reader recently sent me a story about a Russian born scientist who came to work at an American university. He met a young, beautiful subordinate and instantly fell in love with her. He asked her out several times, and she refused. In total, he made four verbal attempts to date her. After this rejection, the scientist wrote the young beauty a letter, documenting his intense feelings and begging again for a relationship with her. The letter was the last straw - she went to the university Chancellor and complained of sexual harassment. She indicated she was nervous and uncomfortable around the scientist after she refused his advances. In an article about this case, the author portrayed this woman as a "bitch," claiming she was only trying to get money from the university, and that the scientist was totally "innocent" in his actions. What do you think? Is the scientist's behavior sexual harassment?

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In the U.S., many sexual harassment cases are brought and immediately thrown out of court. It's a pity that people abuse the laws, causing a lot of burden, wasted resources and money for employers, who are obligated to investigate the seriousness of such claims.

In real life dating and gender relations, these claims aren't relevant. You can't take a man to court for flirting with you, asking you out, staring at your boobs or ass, or even making inappropriate remarks. If someone grabs you, or touches you, I guess you could file a claim for assault or battery and maybe prevail. This doesn't mean an American woman won't smack you or yell at you for such actions. :) Over the years, many States have also enacted "stalker" laws to protect women and men from extreme cases of unwanted pursuit.

How does it work in Russia? Are there laws to protect against sexual harassment? Have you had any experience with naughty bosses or professors?


Евреи

[identity profile] dmitrylvf.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:26 pm (UTC)(link)
фото у тебя , даже если не твое Еврейское, и ты еврейское.

Я прав на 100%, токо еврейским мозгам интересует это.

Хотя тут проблем нет.

Секс был,Секс есть и Секс Будет. везде и это норма жизни.

и хватит врать. не нужно быть такими паршивыми евреями!

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:27 pm (UTC)(link)
You are crazy...Android, it's time that you rebooted yourself. :))

[identity profile] noddeat.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
"I don't know where all this paranoia comes from"

Partly from propaganda, partly from lack of information. All media in the Soviet Union have no idea what fact checking is. In the US you have "yellow newspapers" but in the former USSR all newspapers are yellow. That's why people are so poorly informed.

After collapse of the Soviet Union the propaganda was no more government sponsored, yet a lot of people including journalists continued to spread false information about life in EU/US. It's hard to understand, why, I can think about the following explanation: you can be jailed in the Soviet Union if you openly express sympathy to the West. Even among "friends" there were "stukach" who informed security of all the conversations. That's why after 1990 many people unconsciously continued spreading bullshit about life in the US.

[identity profile] pahapct.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Крым наш

Американцы и Британцы лживые ублюдки

Re: По

[identity profile] errexx.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
воо, в этом вся твоя сволочная и перманентно фашистская нация и заключается

иди, гнида фашисткая, рой схрон, скоро буде жарко, очень.

твой президент - фашист и убийца №1 в мире и затеял третью мировую войну - вас презирает вся планета

желаю твоей нации столько же крови пролить, сколько из-за вас мразей гибнет русских людей в Новороссии.

смерть идет за вами гниды наглосаксонские, будьте вы прокляты во веки веков!
Edited 2015-02-05 19:31 (UTC)

[identity profile] cosmokram.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
'The standard of proof for the Plaintiff is very, very high, and evidence must be documented and ongoing'

Really, now..?

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
No, I didn't forget. I'm communicating with only Russians in this journal. Every single day, in every post. Why is it so hard to understand? I'm tired of discussing the topic with you. If you are annoyed by English, don't visit my blog, or click on the promo link. It's very simple.

[identity profile] victorlv.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Both cases were gray area. But many people agreed that punishments were unfair. Employer is Ivy League hospital.

Re: По

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
To the ban for your thick trolling!

[identity profile] unis.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
This post has to be in LJ TOP25 )

[identity profile] lisa-alisa.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)
In Russia there are special HR-agency that searches and hires beautiful woman for secretary or personal assistant positions. Additional responsibilities for this assistant - sexual relationships with his boss for higher salary.
It's illegal, but nobody cares and no one punished.

You can searching in google for "секретарь с услугами", "секретарь с дополнительными обязанностями", "секретарь с интимом" and you see too many websites that provides this service.
Edited 2015-02-05 19:34 (UTC)

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Doubtful, because the post is in English. If it was written in the Russian language, definitely. :))

[identity profile] rise-man.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
As for me, I think that in our country such laws aren't strict if compare with the USA.



[identity profile] yana-anders.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Здесь, в Америке, почти во всех компаниях, где я работала, я проходила специальный тренинг - “Sexual Harassment Training”. Один из таких тренингов, который я прошла относительно недавно, немного отличался от других.
Вот написала об этом здесь:
О сексуальном домогательстве, или "Облико морале"
http://yana-anders.livejournal.com/161289.html

Re: По

[identity profile] errexx.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)
а как же демократические принципы, лживые вы наши, а?

это мое частное мнение а не троллинг!

если ты гнида наглосаксонская не уважаешь РУ сообщество и пишешь тут не на русском языке - я отказываюсь уважать тебя.

наглосаксонская погань - вы просто упоротые и до беспредела наглые твари!

убирай нахуй с топа свой высер, поеботина фашистская
Edited 2015-02-05 19:41 (UTC)

[identity profile] mjol1nir.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
It's a bad, I agree, but sometimes it' hard to resist the temptation. If you are alone, there are many attractive people around, you spend much time with them and so on.
Now me and that girl are working for different companies, she is married, we are "friends" in a social network and have good relationship. But that time everything was not so perfect, you're right.

Perhaps an American woman has an erogenous zone on her foot, but it excites not a women but police and court. =)
Storyteller thought so, I'm sure.
Many strange and bizarre tales about USA walk in Russia.
Have you seen video about life in United States made in North Korea? It' very funny. =)
Here is not so awful but direction is the same.

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, this training is normal for all U.S. companies. We all have to sit through it. There's no such training at Russian companies?

[identity profile] pin-gwin.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Sex.... ex....ex.....ex.... I like to move it, move it :))))

[identity profile] z80.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Confused the name.. ) This is the video: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f76_1323277426&comments=1

[identity profile] yana-anders.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I am not sure about Russian companies. I've been living in the US for the past 16 years.

[identity profile] akheront.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Пишите пожалуйста по-русски, блять

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, it's a double standard. Also, there's a fine line between flirtation and becoming sexually inappropriate. For instance, my tolerance level for sexual humor is very, very high. I don't know why, probably because I'm mostly surrounded by men all the time (at work and in my social circles), thus I'm not easily offended. However, some women have a lower threshold for tolerance. These are the ongoing dilemmas in gender relations...they have existed for centuries, and will never go away. :) But it's always considered worse by society if the aggressor is a man, and the victim a woman. When the victim is a man, the accusations aren't taken as seriously, even in America.

[identity profile] lx-photos.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:48 pm (UTC)(link)
And it is good :)

[identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com 2015-02-05 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I read the comments to your post on this topic...clearly, Americans and Russians tend to have different viewpoints about this subject. As usual. :)

(Anonymous) 2015-02-05 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Shannon u have a beautiful tits btw

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