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peacetraveler22 ([personal profile] peacetraveler22) wrote2015-09-19 10:34 pm

Do you now live a thousand times better than during Soviet times?

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If time travel ever becomes possible, I would transport myself back to Moscow or the province in the 1970's or 80's to better understand the realities of life in Soviet times. Looking at old photos in books or online, I can hardly envision such a system of life where everything is so structured and predestined. This is the eternal debate amongst my older Russian friends and readers - the pros and cons of life in the USSR vs. modern day Russia. Tonight I read an article written by a man who was only nine years old when the Soviet Union collapsed. However, he claims this was long enough to form a strong enough opinion about life in the USSR to know that he never wishes to return. His observations seem a bit shallow and naive on the surface. He takes a few of the most commonly expressed strengths of the Soviet system, and explains why they are misconceptions. Please remember these are not my personal views, but the opinions of a former resident in the Soviet Union. Let's begin with education...

Myth 1: The Soviet education was the best in the world

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There's a common belief that education in the Soviet system was good, perhaps even the best in the world.  However, this was largely a result of propaganda, and it's important to ask the primary question of how a "great" education should be measured?  It's clear that scientific progress in the West was no less than in the USSR.  Moreover, if everyone was so smart in the USSR, why couldn't they make good cars and VCRs? Something is wrong here, and doesn't add up.


Myth 2: Soviet medicine was better

Obviously, the quality of medical care was worse in Soviet times.  It has always been worse when compared to decaying capitalist countries. Life expectancy in the USSR was lower than the "enemy" at all times.

Reasons for lower life expectancy are simple - lack of modern medicines and treatments. While every effort was being made to create the next warheads, citizens died without having access to advanced diagnostics or care.

Myth 3: Free housing

A common misconception about the USSR is that everyone lived for free. In fact, there was no free housing but cooperatives, which cost an average sum, payable through reasonable installments for 25 years. Everyone in the USSR had a roof over their head, but the quality of housing was horrible and inferior in quality. A
fter the collapse of the USSR, the owners of these apartments were faced with the need to privatize for big money, otherwise the housing became the property of the city. What, in general, makes housing better during Soviet times? Nothing.

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Myth 4: In the Soviet Union, there was no unemployment or homeless

The main problem here was the equalization of labor in low wages, where many people lived paycheck to paycheck, creating a low standard of living for the majority. It's better to provide economic incentives for high quality work, rather than simply handing people wages. The latter creates lazy and entitled workers. Side note from me: I dont' understand employment during Soviet times? How were people hired? They picked their own jobs, or the choice was made by the government?

Myth 5: The most powerful army in the world!

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Classic point of discussion for lovers of the USSR! Yes, the Union had a strong army, to the "defense industry" money was never spared. The Soviet forces were greatly feared abroad, but there are two important points. (1) A strong army has no effect on the lives of ordinary people, except in the negative direction (when all power goes to the creation of tanks, there remains no funds for infrastructure and other improvements); and (2) the Armies of Western countries were no less strong.

Myth 6: Products and clothes were better in the USSR

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This is complete nonsense according to the author. In Soviet times, everything was worse with clothing and consumer choice. People wore shoes for ten years, and it was the same with all other clothes which were of poor quality. Remember how everyone was so desperate for Levis and other American jeans?

In his opinion, the absolute worst part of life in the USSR was the lack of choice in everything - education, work, food, clothing. Soviet citizens couldn't leave the country or really choose the accommodations which best fit their own personality, goals or comfort.  Individuality was suffocated. The government planned human life from birth to death. In general, it completely ruined the country and strangled motivation.

The author's final words - "God forbid that we all go back. Now we live a thousand times better." Do you agree?

P.S. - is the term "совок" offensive and derogatory, or it's okay to use?




[identity profile] saccovanzetti.livejournal.com 2015-09-20 11:49 am (UTC)(link)
Actually, co-op apartment building started in 1970-s, two of my aunts lived there. They had to pay a hefty downpayment, that is true (it was not 100x their salary, more like 20x I think - about the same as a new car). But then there were people in low-paying jobs for whom it would have been 100x...

PS I think I see your point now: the first apartments for sale after "perestroyka" were those privately owned co-ops, you are right. But even before that, houses in countryside were bought and sold privately and apartments could be bought and sold too, but it was a grey area where you would officially "exchange" a smaller apartment for a larger one and paid money under the table.
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[identity profile] irinalk89.livejournal.com 2015-09-20 12:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, maybe it is different from one place to another. By the way, what's your estimate of the price for a 2-room co-op appartment? And I decided not to describe that grey market because I really now have very vague idea of how it all worked and was formalized.

[identity profile] saccovanzetti.livejournal.com 2015-09-20 12:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I think they had to put a few thousand rubles down in the late 1960-s, like 1966 maybe, in Moscow; and paid close to 15,000 rubles total in 25+ years that they lived there, for a two-bedroom apartment with a separate living room (that they used as a bedroom too), in a 9-story building with an elevator, trash chute, close to transportation and schools.

[identity profile] irinalk89.livejournal.com 2015-09-20 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, my parents earned engineers' salaries in the 80-ies, which was120 roubles plus 5 roubles for each 5 years after the start of work. I cannot imagine the inflation levels from 60-ies to the 8-ies, which still existed at some level, but 15 thousand roubles was more than 100 times their salaries. Although my colleague's dad earned 500 roubles a month back then, he was a music teacher and earned a lot fine-tuning the pianos for other people. And this was also a kind of illegal activity.