Turks vs. Russians - what is going on?!?

[peacetraveler22]

Damn, what wildness in the world now! I awoke to news of the military incident with the Russian jet. Now, a news flash on RT that the pilots were shot dead in the air while trying to parachute. Who should we believe? Russia's version of the incident varies wildly from that of the Turks and the U.S., who claim 10 warnings were given before the jet was taken down. Now, there will undoubtedly be bans on yet another prime tourist destination for Russians. It is reported that there are already demands to evacuate tourists from Turkey and cancel the visa-free regime until Turkish officials issue an apology. Who and what should we believe? What is going on?? Nothing is clear, just like this blurry photo, where I photobombed a shot with a random Russian man in some remote town last winter. I don't even remember the name of the city, but when I look at this photo, I always smile. And we can all use some laughter and a brief moment of humor on this day.

I don't even know what to say, or how to analyze this situation, because I'm no expert in foreign or military affairs. How will Putin and NATO react? Who do you believe? Today the French flags are hanging in Washington, DC because Francois Hollande is visiting Obama. Now is a rare chance for you to express your opinions about the political and military situation in this blog. I know you are all experts! :) I will read all your comments, but don't have time to answer everyone...

Comments

[onkel-hans.livejournal.com]

Putin's provocations should be stopped.

This has been one of the many probing penetrations into the NATO airspace.

[peacetraveler22.livejournal.com]

Yes, I remember numerous reports, esp. over the summer. This morning, I was listening to some military analysts and ex-CIA agents on CNN. They said the Turks over-reacted and made a HUGE mistake by shooting this jet down. Instability will not grow much stronger. Well, it will be quite interesting to see how things develop.

[qi-tronic.livejournal.com]

They over-reacted because they silently support ISIS and have oil trade with them.

[peacetraveler22.livejournal.com]

So you think the Russian pilots violated airspace, or no?

[qi-tronic.livejournal.com]

How do I know?

Russia says they were in one kilometer from the border but over Syrian territory.
One kilometer is a very short distance for a plane. Several seconds of filght.
So to my opinion they could violate the border if you look from a certain angle.

But anyway if Turks were allies against ISIS they wouldn't care because they know what the planes do here.

Putin would say -

[onkel-hans.livejournal.com]

"If I put my dick half an inch into your ass, it is not rape!"

Agree?

Re: Putin would say -

[peacetraveler22.livejournal.com]

Do not instigate this Putin loyalist! :)

Re: Putin would say -

[onkel-hans.livejournal.com]

Actually, Putin once admitted to journalists that he had been "sodomized" when a boy.

After a press conference, he was in a playful mood and told the press that he remembered well for how long and when he had made "it" (I cannot say "love" as applied to that person) to his wife but he did not remember when and how he had done "it" for the first time.

This is a significant event. Do _you_ not remember? Everybody does.
The only ones who might not remember are those who were raped - if they have suppressed that memory to recover from psychological disaster.

Re: Putin would say -

[sv0812.livejournal.com]

бред какой...
это у вас в Америках такой бред гоняют? чтобы было не так обидно, что ваш Обама - пидор?

мне вас жаль, люди зомби-ленда...

Moscow Shot down a US Air Force RB-47

[onkel-hans.livejournal.com]

On July 1, the Soviet Union shot down a U.S. Air Force RB - 47 airplane, which was on a proposed mission from the United Kingdom near the northern borders of Norway and the Soviet Union and over the Barents Sea, and rescued two of the six crew members. The two survivors were Captain John B. McKone and Captain Freeman Bruce Olmstead. President Eisenhower discussed his initial reaction to a report that the Soviets had shot down the plane in a telephone conversation with Secretary of State Herter on July 11

http://sw.propwashgang.org/rb47.htm

[sv0812.livejournal.com]

Атомные бомбардировки Хиросимы и Нагасаки (6 и 9 августа 1945 года соответственно) — единственные в истории человечества два примера боевого применения ядерного оружия. Осуществлены Вооружёнными силами США

[onkel-hans.livejournal.com]

This has been a normal reaction: one time the future aggressors should be stopped for the first time.

[(Anonymous)]

Then Greece should shot Turkish military airplanes practically an every day. Or in this case airspace violation is different?

[girlspell.livejournal.com]

LOL... The Turks overreact to everything! That's what makes them Turks. I think they are Switzerland of the middle east. They want to be above everything. They like to shout a lot of hot air and then do nothing. Of course they hate ISIS. And ISIS scares the crap out of them. Of course they don't want to tangle with them. So that's why they behave like. Wouldn't you living next door to Syria?

[peacetraveler22.livejournal.com]

I've never been to Turkey, or even met a Turk here in the USA! So, about the culture and mentality I know almost nothing. Who isn't frightened by ISIS?

[girlspell.livejournal.com]

Turkey is strange situation. They are (mostly) Sunni Muslims. Religiously all Arabs are Sunni. A minority and those that are not Arabic (Iran) are Shiites. Traditionally they do not get along because of their interpretation of Islam. Think of that as Catholic vs Protestants. Turks are ethnically the same as Indians. They are not Arabs and nothing in common with them other then their religion. So there is a corresponding war going on between Sunnis and Shiites in addition to the war against Isis Syria by the way is mostly Shiites. And ethnically Syrians are not Arabs. Turkey is hostile and fearful of any interference, thus the downing of that plane. Turkey is also reluctant to shoot and kill Sunnis.

Before ordering lulnch

[onkel-hans.livejournal.com]

I was in Turkey once but had two funny incidents.
I ordered my bank to sell me a bunch of Turkish pounds and did not actually know the value of the bills.

1. On one of the bill there was a picture of some university. Walking on a street I suddenly see that university as real. I prepare my camera to make a photo. At that time in Turkey there was some kind of military situation and the streets were patrolled by helmeted soldiers with sub-machine guns. A soldier is standing smiling at me. Suddenly there comes a bus and stops to let passengers out. I lower my camera. The soldier asks my sort of why do I not take a picture? I point him at the bus that is obstructing my vision. The soldier turns around, sees the bus and points his gun at the driver: get the funk away from here! Then I take my photo and we smile at each other.

2. I see on a street a man leading a bear on a leash. The man sees me and makes the bear stand up on its hind legs. I pull out a Turkish bill from a pocket and give to the man. He looks at the bill crumbles it, throws away, starts crying with tears and goes away. I felt so bad then :-(

!0 minutes left. What to say? Bon appetit!

Re: Before ordering lulnch

[(Anonymous)]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSCu2Rug75Y

[e-d-w.livejournal.com]

Obama's provocations should be stopped.

Get the head out of your asshole, dupe.

[onkel-hans.livejournal.com]

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[e-d-w.livejournal.com]

Yes,  sir!

[is-numberfive.livejournal.com]

just wait for double penetration.

[peacetraveler22.livejournal.com]

Ouch! :)

[v-stranstviyorg.livejournal.com]

Our plane did not enter the territory of Turkey. He was shot down in Syria

Turkey we will eat on Thursday!

[onkel-hans.livejournal.com]

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