Private Gun Ownership - Good or Bad?
May. 30th, 2014 11:02 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)

Last week, we had another mass shooting in America. A young college student deeply rooted in misogynist mentality, and frustrated by female rejection, decided to take a drive through a California college town and open fire, killing six people and wounding numerous others. As you know, guns are deeply rooted in American culture, and always have been. So why the recent proliferation of school and mass shootings over the last few years? I think in large part these tragedies are not a result of guns, but the sickness of society in general. After all, Americans have always been armed but the proliferation of mass shootings has been rather recent. Twenty years ago, or even ten, we didn't hear about such tragedies on a consistent basis.
People sometimes forget that the right to bear arms is expressly enumerated in the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Private gun ownership is a principle upon which my country was founded. We are the most heavily armed civilian population in the world, with close to 300 million firearms in the hands of civilians, including my family members. I am completely pro gun, and have always been surrounded by firearms. I shoot Rifles, a 9mm glock and .357 Magnum Revolver at the range under the supervision of my father. So, where is the delicate balance between respecting the Constitutional rights of U.S. citizens and preventing mass shootings?
I can't say there are any easy answers, nor do I know the best solution. For instance, in the most recent shooting, the culprit had a long history of mental illness. Police officers had even visited his house after worried calls from State mental health officials. Yet when they arrived, the shooter was completely calm and convincing. Thus, they had no legal grounds upon which to enter the home and search. If they had entered his room, they would have found his guns, his detailed plans for the massacre which he had been cooking for over a year, and other clear signs that something sinister was brewing.
People all over the globe are suffering from depression and other forms of mental illness, and they should not be under constant suspicion for seeking treatment. One simple way to mitigate widespread gun violence is to have tighter and consistent controls. Currently, gun laws drastically vary from State to State, and I don't claim to be an expert in nationwide legislation. Such knowledge is almost impossible. California is known as the strictest State, and Texas and my home State of Virginia are considered two of the most pro-gun locations in the nation. This is not surprising given that the National Rifle Association is headquartered only a 1/2 hour from my apartment. In Virginia, private citizens can openly carry firearms and I've seen it in restaurants, particularly in rural areas. Is it necessary? I don't think so. Only Washington, DC and Hawaii require all firearms to be registered.
Our founding Fathers made certain that private gun ownership will never completely become extinct in America, but this doesn't mean that laws shouldn't be changed. Some of the most strongly advocated solutions include:
(1) Background checks for all firearm owners
(2) Waiting period
(3) Registration of ALL firearms in every State
(4) For schools - allow teachers to carry firearms into the classroom and train them on use
What do you think? Do you wish Russia had more lenient laws for private gun ownership? What should America do to prevent these tragedies? I sometimes wonder if it's really possible to truly prevent a deranged person from committing these acts of violence. Even if tighter gun controls exist, they would likely still be able to obtain firearms on the black market. In the end, we cannot mandate good and evil, though an attempt should at least be made to control evil to the greatest extent possible.
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Date: 2014-05-30 03:45 pm (UTC)It`s true.
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Date: 2014-05-30 04:09 pm (UTC)I tend to be against private gun ownership. I believe that if you can own a gun, a criminal can, too, and your gun doesn't help you against the criminal if you are not ready to shoot at people (and criminals are easy with shooting).
But then I listen to my wife and she's a supporter! She says that a girl can't stand against man's brute force, but a gun in a girl's hand changes the game!
So even a family can't agree on this simple topic, do you really expect finding solution in a big society?
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Date: 2014-05-30 04:16 pm (UTC)On the other hand, killing sprees can be stopped effectively by other people who carry their guns with them, so I support your suggestion on school teachers carrying guns.
Nice pic!
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Date: 2014-05-30 06:47 pm (UTC)I agree a person trespassing on your lawn doesn't deserve to be shot, but once they enter your private home you should have a right to self-defense. I'm not sure why you think self-defense is a myth? What about alcohol? It also is a deadly weapon when people consume massive amounts and get behind the wheel and kill people in accidents. Should it also be banned? The number of very responsible gun owners FAR outweighs those who do harm, so things must be kept in perspective.
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Date: 2014-05-30 07:15 pm (UTC)I'm totally agree with you that the problem is the person who shoots, not a gun. So I suppose there should be restrictions for gun owners and compulsive background check.
But also I think that it's a little strange that in the U.S. (as far as I know) there are no special clinics for people with mental diseases. But often these people are dangerous both for themselves and for other people. They are not criminals to be imprisoned, but they should be monitored and controlled by doctors, and some cases demand isolation of the patient for safety reasons.
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Date: 2014-05-30 08:04 pm (UTC)-By my life experience, it is hard to convince me that if I were having a gun ( any kind of) I would have it handy in right time for personal protection. Trying to keep it around all the time feels a big hassle.
-Another point - I have to be ready to use it against another human being. In theory, I understand that it may be the only right thing to do, however I do not feel right to do it cold blooded. At much younger age I was hunting with my friends and holding warm beautiful birds I just killed does not make me feel right even they were very tasty after all.
I leave now in a very safe suburban area and simply do not see a reason why should I carry a gun with me... it would be just another complication. At the same time, if I would smell any kind of public revolt, I would immediately get Kalashnikov from local Fleet Farm. But not before that.
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Date: 2014-05-30 09:16 pm (UTC)So most gun control laws are just making it tougher for honest people to buy guns, making criminal's lives easier.
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Date: 2014-05-30 10:14 pm (UTC)The stories when the bill introduced in NY to decrease the size of the magazines from 10 to 7 rounds and explanation is mass shootings in schools... WHAT?! 8-0
The real explanation is the same as I saw many times in Russia: We did something loud. It does not and even can not have any effect on the problem in question. But this is a simple thing to do and we will shout everywhere that it does help. And some people will believe.
One of the effects of Santa Barbara shooting is the new bill proposed in California (less then a week from shooting) proposing a right for courts and polices to search and confiscate your guns if someone will tell the police that you're thinking about something bad.
It's even better then Minority report! :)
One important thing to remember is that all the gun control laws are affecting only law-abiding people. They do not have any effect on criminals.
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Date: 2014-05-31 12:39 am (UTC)cannotmay not ever be allowed in Russia.Government is perceived in the U.S, as an unfriendly agency. The Constitution,by definition, is a tool to protect the people against government.
The guns are available to the citizens of America because of their right to protect themselves against the government, primarily.
Exactly for the same reason it is inconceivable that the government may allow guns in Russia. There is no reason even to talk about this in Russia. First - get rid of your terrorist government. But - just you try!
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Date: 2014-05-31 12:34 am (UTC)In Central Virginia there are no shooting galleries. I tried to learn why and the gun stores told me, it's simple - the liability kills
the catthe shooting ranges.In place of the NRA, I would widely promote the shooting ranges, having a gun and not knowing how to shoot the target is even worse than not having a gun.
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Date: 2014-05-31 02:19 am (UTC)Although, perhaps, among them a prophet was and he said to others: "Centuries later, the weapon will be so perfect that one person can kill a dozen of people for a minute". And others replied: "We do not care, let them shoot. People love to shoot. Medicine at that time will be better than now"
And yet, the weapon causes people to lie. People pronounce sublime arguments, talk about the constitution and the rights, but, in fact, we are talking about toys. People are willing to put up with the fact that murders occur in schools in order that they could shoot bottles and be photographed with their favorite toys. Own toys are more valuable than lives of others.
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Date: 2014-05-31 02:33 am (UTC)The Founding Fathers were incredibly insightful.
The guns are not toys, they are the protection against a rogue government.
The value of a human life is very clear to every man who shares the Christian morality.
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Date: 2014-06-01 12:04 am (UTC)What the law says?
And why do you folks always try to reduce everything to the binary option?
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Date: 2014-06-01 10:27 am (UTC)There are easy answers.
1. People who do it, they do it for their 15 minutes of fame. Media should not make celebrities out of criminals. I don't think there should be special law for this. But people working in the press and TV should understand the difference between movie stars, sport champions and mass murderers. Now it seems that they don't.
2. People who do it, should not live. It would be the best if they were killed the moment they start to try to shoot innocent people. But if the tragedy could not be prevented then the criminal must face the ultimate punishment. I see it as a greatest injustice that Breivik who murdered dozens and injured hundreds is in normal health, has a bed, food, shower and public attention to whatever he calls his ideology.
3. People who organize free gun zones or in any other way obstruct someone's ability to defend herself, in case of a tragedy should be considered as companion in crime in the court.
In Israel the entire young population boys and girls have guns and they go with them everywhere. Everywhere! And no mass shootings occur. Even terrorists use hidden explosives and not firearms. There was even case when taxi driver killed a terrorist with his own pistol. Which is another good reason to love this country.
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Date: 2014-06-01 10:53 pm (UTC)2. Well, Norway is known for its luxurious prisons so even scumbags like Anders Behring Breivik really aren't suffering for their atrocious acts. Btw, do you support the death penalty? In recent cases in America, the police don't play around and there's no hesitation to put a bullet in and kill the shooter. However, these people are usually the biggest cowards, and end up shooting themselves and committing suicide before this happens.
Not sure, I didn't really notice anyone carrying guns in Israel except the young soldiers standing at every checkpoint, trying to intimidate passer-bys with their big weapons.
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Date: 2014-06-05 04:04 am (UTC)Russians have good funny story about weapons. One cowboy liked to ambush saloons shooting his revolvers and kicking some asses. Once he opened the door with his boot and found an old guy having his whiskey and being absolutely calm. They talked. Old guy advised him to file the front-sight down of his revolver.
- Why? - asked young cowboy.
- You know, - answered the old one, - long time ago I was so tough as you are. I liked to kick some asses, to fire my gun. But once I met seven tough guys. They took my Colt and put it into my ass. My advice to you, son: file the front-sight down.
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Date: 2014-06-16 08:59 am (UTC)You know, my husband completely agrees with you about a private gun ownership. He adores a story about one Texas's citizen who killed a robber and when the police arrived the only thing he was told was "Thank you, sir!". As for shooting at schools - my husband thinks that the only way to prevent it or at least reduce the number of victims is to arm all teachers and staff with firearms and train them to use them.
As for me - I agree with you that the root of recent shootings is not in the private gun ownership, but in people's mental state. If a person is on a verge of a nervous breakdown and wants to kill or injure somebody just to feel better - he or she will do in spite of any laws prohibiting firearms or other weapons, with any accessible tools. So the root of the disease, but not the symptoms should be treated.
Btw what do you think about smoking prohibitions everywhere? I am not a smoker, and I think that non-smokers should be protected from smokers, but smokers do have their own right to smoke when and where they do not cause inconveniences of people around them, and I am afraid that nowadays this right is already violated...
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Date: 2014-08-10 02:33 am (UTC)1. Waiting period - guy in question prepared for one year. How long waiting period should be? Whole idea seems to be ridiculous to me. In family affairs somebody who is perfectly sane may just snap and run to store to buy pistol and shoot significant other. But psychopaths usually plan well in advance and does not leave anything to chance.
2. Background checks - idea is good. But checks will be as good as databases are. That guy in Virginia tech slipped through because your state played petty politics with data they were supposed to send to FBI. Then there are HIPAA. Differences must be reconciled and some good sense rules established for checks to work. It will be nice to have ways for private parties to get access to this database to check somebody willing to purchase firearm privately. MA has this option BTW, private citizens can sell/purchase registered firearm directly, registering transaction on state police web site.
3. Teachers should have option to arm themselves (in Israel it is common for teachers to be armed, since Maalot massacre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma'alot_massacre). Parents may form voluntary guard as well.
But, as somebody pointed out firearms are not cause of problem. After all worst school massacre happen without single shot fired. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
What is the cause, I have trouble to say. But, I am not American by birth and upbringing, so there are something I miss.
As to gun rights in Russia, they do exist. It is fairly easy to get shotgun. In order to get a rifle you have to posses shotgun for five years, then you can get rifle permit (does not make sense, but there are some historical reasons for it). Pistols are out of question for majority of people, though you can get one for sport - but it must be stored at your club, not at your house. Machine guns are out of question as well. People can buy just about any rifle if it is semiauto, bolt or lever action. Moreover, semiauto versions of WW2 SMGs and machineguns (like Maxim machine gun) are widely available. Law limit overall length of rifle, not barrel length. So, PPSH-41 is legit in semiauto version. Also, there are limitations on mag capacity - 10 rounds. However, there are some legit way around it and most people I know have normal capacity mags. Silencers are not allowed and oddly enough reloading for rifles are in gray area. Ammo is very expensive by US standards. Another interesting feature - convicts can get license for firearms after certain period of time after conviction. No lifetime bans. Whatever region/city issued an license it is legal and entitled you to same rights though whole Russia. This I miss in US (having VA lifetime hunting license and forced to travel through NJ and NY!). You cannot carry loaded firearm on you (except while hunting) but you can transport it in case with loaded magazine in the same case. Case may be unlocked and in front seat of your car. Obviously it is fairly good for self defense scenario.
I got my first shotgun in Soviet times. It was fairly easy to get license, but to buy one... I looked around for almost a year. Rifles were really hard to get in last years of USSR. Around 1976 law was adopted which essentially outlawed rifle possession for citizens. Talk was that dear leaders does not want to give some russian "Oswald" chance. Most liberal times for firearms possession were in 1940-50. Yes, during Stalin times. Obviously he was not afraid of armed populace. Indeed pistols and machineguns would not be legal (though a lot of bureaucrats carried pistols then and a lot of people were awarded pistols for service in war and on home front) but police did not paid attention to shotguns and rifles were common.
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Date: 2014-09-18 06:56 pm (UTC)Yes.
>>>(1) Background checks for all firearm owners
(4) For schools - allow teachers to carry firearms into the classroom and train them on use
Yes
>>>(2) Waiting period
(3) Registration of ALL firearms in every State
No.
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