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We all recognize that there are eccentric and deranged people in all parts of the globe, engaged in questionable behavior which we'll never understand or condone. I once thought of visiting Grozny, so perhaps some of you would even place me in one, or both, of these categories. Remember a few years ago, I wrote this post, asking readers whether it's safe for an American woman to travel to Chechnya? Some of my friends in the Russian blogosphere have been there, and even personally met Kadyrov and told me it was safe. All of them - MEN. You can call me a naive or misinformed American, but I can't understand yesterday's events.

I read the scandalous news that Kadyrov granted special permission for an old Police Chief to marry a 17 year old bride! I will not place a photo of the sad, distraught young woman in my blog to further sensationalize her image. On her wedding day, her eyes completely devoid of joy, as if going to a funeral or gas chamber. You've already seen her expressions, her white dress, and the bejeweled head covering, all draped around the delicate frame of a young woman who likely had no say in the events of that day, or in picking her groom. What a sad existence, I'm sorry I can't imagine it, or respect any region where such actions are considered acceptable, and personally authorized by the leader!! I read a lot of stories and comments about this topic today, and I'm particularly disgusted by the post written by Ilya Varlamov, LJ's top Russian blogger, where he can't understand all the fuss or controversy over the wedding.  How can a modern, intelligent man like him not question this event, particularly when he has a young daughter of his own?

Here in the U.S., we have various religious sects engaged in polygamy, many marrying very young brides. The distinction is that our leaders don't advocate or approve of such behavior, nor does most of American society. On some other news sites, I read comments by a few Chechen females stating that the bride's facial expression was normal, that Muslim women don't show overt expression, even during a wedding. According to them, such action would be considered immodest in strict Muslim families.

What do you think of this scandal? Please help me understand "real" Chechen culture and mentality better, not what well-known bloggers show on their hand held tours, organized by Chechen officials. Yes, I know about the Chechen wars and that it's a Muslim region in the North Caucasus, yet it's still part of Russia. I'm especially interested to hear from any female readers I might have living in this area. Help me restore my faith in this region..

Date: 2015-05-17 04:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fedli.livejournal.com
Каждому свое...Вы едите собачий язык,мы -щи,чечены-шашлык...И живём мы далеко друг от друга...

Date: 2015-05-17 04:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
Yes, "to each his own", but forced marriage should not be considered acceptable in any society. It's a form of sex slavery, esp. when children are involved. If you have a daughter, I doubt you would be pleased to hand her off to an old man to live in subservience for eternity.

Date: 2015-05-17 05:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fedli.livejournal.com
Опять Вы смотрите из другого Мира.
Там другое мировосприятие и родители видят в будущем дочери сытость,достаток и заботу со стороны мужа.На возраст там никто не смотрит-там принято видеть положение и уважение в обществе(статус) и девочка тоже так воспитана..
Вы "бултыхаетесь" по странам,возможно даже полуголой и со многими мужчинами,отряхнулась и пошла дальше.Там ходят в платках и живут дома.
Поинтересуйтесь ,как живут женщины богатых мусульман-они королевы,но на своей территории).

Date: 2015-05-17 05:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fedli.livejournal.com
http://ya-kadyrov.livejournal.com/54926.html Вот Вам подтверждение "вынужденной "свадьбы.Это восток и надо,чтоб всё блестело,шумело,много гостей,лошадей-машин).
Вы видели Русь и жили в неприспособленных домах,мы неприхотливы и терпеливы,нам не надо блеска.Правда ваше "общество потребления"пожирает Русь,но мы ещё живы внутренним огнём,что показал "Бессмертный полк",например.
Edited Date: 2015-05-17 05:22 am (UTC)

Date: 2015-05-17 05:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andrey-kaminsky.livejournal.com
Уважаемый, я даже не знаю, что вам сказать... Где вы набрали столько бреда, столько мути в свою голову? Это слишком даже для Советского Союза, это уже реальное средневековое мракобесие.

Date: 2015-05-17 07:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fedli.livejournal.com
В деревне,слегка неприспособленной))).

Date: 2015-05-17 07:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andrey-kaminsky.livejournal.com
Вставайте на лыжи, берите недельный запас солёной оленины и идите до районного центра. Там должна быть библиотека. В библиотеке есть хорошие, добрые книжки в которых написано, что человек рождён для счастья, что женщины такие же люди как и мужчины, а не предмет для купли-продажи;)

)))

Date: 2015-05-17 09:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fedli.livejournal.com
Ваше добродушие тронуло.Я сам такой...
Но куда деть обычаи,через коленку их не переломишь-ведь это новая война.
Сейчас им дали деньги,лояльную стране власть...Вспомните полковника Буданова,упокой Господи его душу,воина судимого судом мирного времени.Пусть лучше молодая будет женой,чем убитой...И пусть наши молодые парни продолжают наш род,чем погибают не ведомо за что.Правда ведомо всем...
Не время этих досужих разговоров на эту тему.Манстурбирующей американке можно ,а нам в России нельзя.Если Вы конечно в России,кроме Москвы,и призывного возраста или Ваши дети.

Re: )))

Date: 2015-05-17 11:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andrey-kaminsky.livejournal.com
Раз вы такой, то тогда и пишите такое же. Вы же занимались оправданием кое-как замаскированной под "обычаи предков" работорговли. Человек имеющий принципы и патриот не должен оправдывать дерьмо, происходящее в его стране, иначе это дерьмо будет продолжаться.

Date: 2015-05-17 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
Books nor knowledge can rarely cure a truly misogynist mind.

Date: 2015-05-17 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andrey-kaminsky.livejournal.com
I do sometimes wonder about the mass executions, but history teaches us that this is the wrong way to go.

Date: 2015-05-17 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
And how is Kadyrov's post supposed to change my impressions about this situation? On Instagram, he has a video of himself, looking like a slob, dancing around like a fool during the celebration. What does he have to complain about? Doesn't Kadyrov also have multiple wives, there to please him at any occasion and on command?

But what is forced?

Date: 2015-05-18 03:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xpo-xpo-xpo.livejournal.com
If American girl marries 80-years old billionaire is it a forced marriage? Just because, you know, surely she doesn't love him but hopes she will get some money after short waiting! And is it forced?!

Re: But what is forced?

Date: 2015-05-18 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
No, it is not forced if both people are adults and consent. Who cares what type of arrangement they have? The appearance in this instance is that the young girl was forced to marry due to threats or pressure from her family. This is the problem. If she loves the old fart, then let them live happily ever after! :)

Surely you may force adult girl.

Date: 2015-05-18 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xpo-xpo-xpo.livejournal.com
And this is strictly prohibited. Like it's strictly prohibited to force underage girl. We have no evidences besides some journalists cries - and everyone knows who are the journalists :) So we are just short of information to make informed decision about the case.

Re: Surely you may force adult girl.

Date: 2015-05-18 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
Proof, have you watched the videos of this ceremony? I think you can tell a lot by the young woman's behavior. It is not just being modest, but something more tragic. Perhaps only a female can understand or pick up on the sadness in her eyes.

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