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We all recognize that there are eccentric and deranged people in all parts of the globe, engaged in questionable behavior which we'll never understand or condone. I once thought of visiting Grozny, so perhaps some of you would even place me in one, or both, of these categories. Remember a few years ago, I wrote this post, asking readers whether it's safe for an American woman to travel to Chechnya? Some of my friends in the Russian blogosphere have been there, and even personally met Kadyrov and told me it was safe. All of them - MEN. You can call me a naive or misinformed American, but I can't understand yesterday's events.
I read the scandalous news that Kadyrov granted special permission for an old Police Chief to marry a 17 year old bride! I will not place a photo of the sad, distraught young woman in my blog to further sensationalize her image. On her wedding day, her eyes completely devoid of joy, as if going to a funeral or gas chamber. You've already seen her expressions, her white dress, and the bejeweled head covering, all draped around the delicate frame of a young woman who likely had no say in the events of that day, or in picking her groom. What a sad existence, I'm sorry I can't imagine it, or respect any region where such actions are considered acceptable, and personally authorized by the leader!! I read a lot of stories and comments about this topic today, and I'm particularly disgusted by the post written by Ilya Varlamov, LJ's top Russian blogger, where he can't understand all the fuss or controversy over the wedding. How can a modern, intelligent man like him not question this event, particularly when he has a young daughter of his own?
Here in the U.S., we have various religious sects engaged in polygamy, many marrying very young brides. The distinction is that our leaders don't advocate or approve of such behavior, nor does most of American society. On some other news sites, I read comments by a few Chechen females stating that the bride's facial expression was normal, that Muslim women don't show overt expression, even during a wedding. According to them, such action would be considered immodest in strict Muslim families.
What do you think of this scandal? Please help me understand "real" Chechen culture and mentality better, not what well-known bloggers show on their hand held tours, organized by Chechen officials. Yes, I know about the Chechen wars and that it's a Muslim region in the North Caucasus, yet it's still part of Russia. I'm especially interested to hear from any female readers I might have living in this area. Help me restore my faith in this region..
I read the scandalous news that Kadyrov granted special permission for an old Police Chief to marry a 17 year old bride! I will not place a photo of the sad, distraught young woman in my blog to further sensationalize her image. On her wedding day, her eyes completely devoid of joy, as if going to a funeral or gas chamber. You've already seen her expressions, her white dress, and the bejeweled head covering, all draped around the delicate frame of a young woman who likely had no say in the events of that day, or in picking her groom. What a sad existence, I'm sorry I can't imagine it, or respect any region where such actions are considered acceptable, and personally authorized by the leader!! I read a lot of stories and comments about this topic today, and I'm particularly disgusted by the post written by Ilya Varlamov, LJ's top Russian blogger, where he can't understand all the fuss or controversy over the wedding. How can a modern, intelligent man like him not question this event, particularly when he has a young daughter of his own?
Here in the U.S., we have various religious sects engaged in polygamy, many marrying very young brides. The distinction is that our leaders don't advocate or approve of such behavior, nor does most of American society. On some other news sites, I read comments by a few Chechen females stating that the bride's facial expression was normal, that Muslim women don't show overt expression, even during a wedding. According to them, such action would be considered immodest in strict Muslim families.
What do you think of this scandal? Please help me understand "real" Chechen culture and mentality better, not what well-known bloggers show on their hand held tours, organized by Chechen officials. Yes, I know about the Chechen wars and that it's a Muslim region in the North Caucasus, yet it's still part of Russia. I'm especially interested to hear from any female readers I might have living in this area. Help me restore my faith in this region..
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Date: 2015-05-17 03:39 am (UTC)I would not ascribe all this to the peculiarities of Chechen culture. Maybe it is there, maybe not. This case is not about Chechen culture. In Ukraine, for instance, a woman can marry at 16, with court permission.
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Date: 2015-05-17 03:41 am (UTC)it's a governmental rape of a school girl .... - you will never understand that...
that's how I lived in Russia for 31 years.... until I've left.... I don't know how else to explain it to you... well, I know, because I am 54 years old... but you will not listen...((
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Date: 2015-05-17 05:08 am (UTC)As I reckon parents of this girl attends to media in need to prevent this slavery "marriage". But they was forced to say yes lately. And this groom is no Senator its like head of Mafia. Policemans in Chechnya is a real army-like force helping Kadyrov to grow his power. Our lawsmen is closing their eyes to many of the Kadyrov's crimes and Shariat things.
Russia is the very shovinist country. But in Chechnya we see total Muslim country like Iran. Its a cloak that can blow up, so Putin tries to balance moral and law to keep Kadyrov calm.
Chechens does a terror in Boston, kills Nemtsov, kidnap a grown-up chechen women from Armenia (to prevent her marriage with the Armenian) and so on...
To understand the Chechnya I recommmend you to read Latynina blog on "Эхо Москвы". And there is a women who travelled to Chechnya several times and wrote several articles about it and did the interview with the Kadyrov. Its Ksenia Sobchak. I cannot put there links from my smartphone but you can google it. Or use Yandex its better in Russian language search.
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Date: 2015-05-17 05:09 am (UTC)They have their laws and traditions. They are supported everywhere by the government for being a minority.
And they practice their traditions however disgusting they are. And sometimes not only in their reservation but everywhere. Tsarnaev took their national pasion for blowing bombs even to Boston.
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Date: 2015-05-17 05:10 am (UTC)Первый: те правозащитники, к которым обращалась семья девушки, врут, чтоб очернить Кадырова.
Второй: Всё правда, девушка против, а Кадыров просто не может потерпеть, чтоб верно служащих ему людей отвергали женщины, то есть люди второго сорта по нормам исламской морали. Путин и его приближённые не хотят лишней напряжённости в Чечне, поэтому смотрят на творящееся там средневековье сквозь пальцы. Никто ничего не может с этим поделать, потому что власти у народа нет и обращаться куда-то для расследования этого дела или с жалобами бесполезно.
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Date: 2015-05-17 05:42 am (UTC)Общественность попыталась вмешаться, но пока суть да дело, девушке там родственники, похоже, всё популярно объяснили и она стала со всем согласная и безумно влюблённая в старика.
Ну а в стране, сейчас, с вашими санкциями проблем выше крыши, чтобы ещё на Кавказе разборки устраивать. Поэтому всё и спустили на тормозах.
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Date: 2015-05-17 06:40 am (UTC)I can say that the Chechens are morals stronger than the Europeans have, with all the nowadays laws of gay marriage legalization, the termination of parental rights, with all the immigration problems, when people in Europe don't know for whom their government are working now. So I don't see much problem in this particular marriage, I see the real problem in the increasing of number of early abortions in Russia.
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Date: 2015-05-17 07:17 am (UTC)Sorry for my bad english ))
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Date: 2015-05-17 07:26 am (UTC)This wedding is a common phenomenon in the Muslim world. Muslims are allowed to take 4 wives. But the beautiful, young girl under Sharia law it is impossible to marry an old man. Kadyrov even violates Sharia law.
The problem is that this outrage support the Kremlin ....
This is very bad.
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Date: 2015-05-17 07:48 am (UTC)Уже поговаривают, что эта свадьба затмила свадьбы британских монарших особ.
Уж тот факт, что Кадыров не танцевал лезгинку на свадьбе Кейт и Гарри, совершенно точно делает их праздник скучным и никому не интересным.
Я, правда, не думал, что судороги вокруг этого выкатились за пределы русского сегмента интернета.
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