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Almost two years ago, I wrote a post with a question in the title "What is Love?" The post discussed a monumental Supreme Court decision in favor of gay rights, which granted Federal benefits to same-sex couples in States that recognized gay marriages. It was clear at the time that America's mentality on this issue had shifted dramatically in the last decade. Just moments ago, this was further confirmed when the U.S. Supreme Court issued one of the most anticipated decisions of this term. A monumental victory, holding that gay marriage will now be legal in EVERY U.S. State. The basic outcome of the decision is that States no longer have the authority to reserve marriage rights only to heterosexual couples.

For me, it's absolutely the right outcome, although I understand that most Russians have a completely different view on this topic. Just today I read a post by [livejournal.com profile] popados, with over 600 comments, many of which are filled with hate and a rather savage mentality about gays, in my opinion. I will never understand how what someone does in their OWN bedroom impacts others. Personally, I advocate for love between two consenting adults, regardless of the form in which it arises. The fact that two men or two women wish to marry and share their lives together has absolutely no impact on me in any way. Many people often climb into the comments claiming that gays want "special" rights, but this Supreme Court decision is not about that. It grants only EQUAL rights, nothing more. It's no secret that I fully support the gay community, I have many gay friends who have had lifelong partners, a few have even adopted children. They live as normal families, going about their daily lives, loving their child, going to the park, grocery store, etc. There's nothing hedonistic or perverse about the manner in which they conduct themselves. Look here, two women, in love for 31 years, sharing their lives together. Why should they be denied the right to marry?

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In all honestly, I became disgusted reading the comments in the post by [livejournal.com profile] popados, but I found one to be very profound and intelligent:

"Пост хороший. Спасибо. А большинство комментариев - как всегда дерьмо. Поразительно, сколько людей живут в невежестве, гордятся этим невежеством и выставляют его напоказ. Такое чувство, что гомофобам в жизни больше гордиться нечем, кроме как своим гетеросексуальным либидо. Тыкают себя пальцем в грудь и орут, посмотрите, какой я мужик, посмотрите, какой я мужик. Будто бы сами в этом сомневаются и пытаются лишний раз убедить себя. Очевидно, другие попытки доказать себе свою силу с треском провалились, поэтому надо отыграться на тех, кто слабее.

У меня в институтские годы было двое друзей, гетеросексуальных парней. Они общались со мной на равных, и это никак не повлияло на их самооценку. Они не считали общение со мной зашкваром. И я их за это очень уважаю. Они доказали, что сила человека, мужчины в частности, определяется иными критериями.

А всяким там товарищам, которые, растя своих детей, уверены в том, что их дети никогда не будут гомосексуалами, хочу сказать одно. Вас таких мечтателей - вагон и маленькая тележка. Только природа всё по своим местам расставляет, и вас, дураков, не спрашивает. И если природой будет положено, что ваш ребёнок будет геем, значит, так тому и быть, и ничего вы с этим не сделаете, даже если изобьёте своё дитя до кровавых соплей. Я понимаю, почему вы беситесь. Вы - невежды, и вы считаете, что гомосексуальность - следствие неправильного воспитания, и потому, если ваш ребёнок оказывается геем, вы считаете себя хреновым родителем, это бьёт по вашему самолюбию. Вы-то, несомненно, планировали вырастить идеального ребёнка, а тут такая подстава. Вы злитесь, но злость ваша порождена всё тем же тотальным невежеством, откровенно дерьмовым образованием в этой области. Вы начинаете мучить себя и своего ребёнка, вместо того, чтобы взять в руки хорошую книгу или обратиться за разъяснением к специалисту, вместо того, чтобы получить какие-то знания на этот счёт.

Вам нравится ваше невежество, потому что оно даёт вам повод чувствовать себя сильным, не прилагая реальных усилий для того, чтобы стать сильным. Вы чувствуете себя сильными, потому что родились гетеросексуальными. Это очень удобно - чувствовать силу, палец о палец не ударив, чтобы её получить. Вы чувствуете себя первым сортом, состоявшейся личностью, только потому, что спите с людьми противоположного пола, вы чувствуете, что, слава богу, нашлись в этом мире люди, гомосексуалы, которые хуже вас. Это удобно, когда ты стоишь выше кого-то, но не приложил никаких усилий для этого статуса.

Однако, грустная правда состоит в том, что вы всё равно слабаки. И как личности вы не состоялись. Потому что вы гордитесь тем, что вам дано природой, вместо того, чтобы гордиться тем, чего вы достигли собственным потом. Очевидно, что второго в вашей жизни просто нет. А гомосексуалы живут и чувствуют свою силу, потому что вы превращаете их жизнь в филиал ада на земле своими вонючими советами на предмет как жить, что делать и как себя вести, а они всё равно живут, и есть у них в жизни свои маленькие радости. И для того, чтобы чувствовать свою силу, им не требуется унижать вас, достаточно и того, чтобы, не смотря на весь тот филиал ада на земле, который вы им устраиваете, чего-то достичь в жизни. И потому, пока вы не излечитесь от своей гомофобии, они всегда будут в разы сильнее вас. А вы, неспособные справиться со своими средневековыми рефлексами, так и будете слабаками."

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I'm not trying to imply that the American viewpoint or mentality should make its way to Russia, I'm only highlighting a huge distinction between our cultures and mentalities on a basic human rights issue. Russia and its citizens are free to dictate their own society, laws and regulations. However, on this day, I'm very proud to be an American. To live in a country that advocates for love between consenting adults, in all forms.

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Just moments ago, the official Facebook page of the White House posted this photo. This was a rather provocative move, which angered many in the comments.

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In the U.S. today, many people will hug their wife, husband, boyfriend or girlfriend and celebrate this victory for love! Have a nice weekend! :)



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Date: 2015-06-26 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] green-eegs.livejournal.com
yes, hurray!

we have joined other civilized societies, finally.

Date: 2015-06-26 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
Yes, I'm also very happy about the decision. It was the outcome I expected, given the Court's recent rulings over the past two years.

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this poor maggot

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Date: 2015-06-26 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iiiko.livejournal.com
Вот нахуя им это надо? Баб что ли не хватает? Я до сих пор не могу понять, что движет ими? желание отсосать, выебать в жопу или дать в жопу?

Date: 2015-06-26 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moxel.livejournal.com
Я бы мог вам успешно оппонировать, но Ваш объем серого вещества не дает мне .того сделать ((

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Date: 2015-06-26 03:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moxel.livejournal.com
Congratulations!

Date: 2015-06-26 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
It doesn't impact me personally, I'm not a lesbian. But it will impact some of my friends, and for them celebration and congratulations is definitely in order! :)

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Date: 2015-06-26 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yarowind.livejournal.com
Not good.

Date: 2015-06-26 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
Why? I know you have a different viewpoint on this, but how does the fact that two men or two women marry each other impact you personally?

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Date: 2015-06-26 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] genka8.livejournal.com
I honestly don't know why gays insist on the term "marriage". If they could settle on "civil union" or invent some special new word, I'm sure they wouldn't encounter nearly as much of the resistance.

Date: 2015-06-26 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rankin-almst500.livejournal.com
I think it's because (not in the least) now they can file Federal taxes as "married, filing jointly"...

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fair enough!

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nah

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Date: 2015-06-26 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] al-lex-ey.livejournal.com
Why I see a LOT of hate in your LJ now?
Pity.
Unwise.
There always is the second side of the coin.

Date: 2015-06-26 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
What is hateful about this post? It's a celebration of love. You can express your opposite viewpoint, or "other side of the coin" by expressing it in a comment. I never object to this, and welcome divergent viewpoints in my journal.

Date: 2015-06-26 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zhang-fei.livejournal.com
"I will never understand how what someone does in their OWN bedroom impacts others".

Wasn't that exactly the point of the vast majority of people, who commented popados' post? Yes, there was a small percentage of people saying something like: "Aye, I hate those little buggers, and if my children happened to be like them, I would probably give them away!", but it seems, that most Russian commentators share one distinctive view on homosexuality: "Don't bother us with your flamboyance and parades and do whatever you want in your bedroom". And that's a very broad-minded attitude, I am not like that. I think, that only attractive lesbians, like the two girls on the second photo, should be allowed, and even encouraged, to get married. This fucking world, full of crazy religious fanatics, horrible deseases and contemporary art, needs more busty blonde lesbians, making out in the streets. The rest - gay guys and heterosexual couples - can go to hell.

Date: 2015-06-26 04:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
Are you serious? Only hot lesbians should be allowed to marry, and all the ugly women and gay men should go to hell! :)) I hope you're being sarcastic.

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Date: 2015-06-26 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] juan-gandhi.livejournal.com
Thank you for the great news!!!

Date: 2015-06-26 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
You're welcome! :)

Date: 2015-06-26 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grihanm.livejournal.com
God bless America!

Date: 2015-06-26 04:43 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-06-26 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cossache.livejournal.com
As a lawyer and just a human being i fully support that decision. All people should be equal in rights.

Date: 2015-06-26 04:43 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-06-26 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] syrya.livejournal.com
I am glad it is over (well almost over), we have other pressing issues in USA.

Date: 2015-06-26 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
Exactly, there are more important issues on which to focus (race relations, unemployment, etc.).

Date: 2015-06-26 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] martin-eden85.livejournal.com
Почему если мужчина думает, что он Наполеон, то его нужно упрятать в психушку, а если он думает, что он женщина - то его права надо защищать?

Date: 2015-06-26 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bermion.livejournal.com

Так можно ... Верховный суд США разрешил -- http://bermion.livejournal.com/57562.html

Edited Date: 2015-06-26 08:01 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-06-26 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] martin-eden85.livejournal.com
Why, if a man thinks he is Napoleon, it must be hidden in a psychiatric hospital, and if he thinks he is a woman - his rights must be protected?

Date: 2015-06-26 04:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
Gay men don't perceive themselves as women, so I don't understand your comment. Sorry.

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Добрый день!

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Date: 2015-06-26 04:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qaz1772.livejournal.com
Hurrah! All queers running on a parade! Quickly, faggots, quickly!!

Date: 2015-06-26 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saccovanzetti.livejournal.com
I wonder how this decision will affect States regulation of marriage rights in general.

Date: 2015-06-26 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
We will have to wait to see, but Federal law always trumps State law under the U.S. Constitution (the Supremacy Clause).

Date: 2015-06-26 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pin-gwin.livejournal.com
That's for good, however it would be interesting to watch church('s) reaction. For some of them facilitating the rituals for few uni-pairs might become a loss of income because of migrating of significant part of "users". The support of unisex marriage is way far from being unanimous and some congregations are opposing it completely.
Personally I do not like what they are presenting on the parades.... Once we were coming back to our car from Contravention Center where my daughter was playing in a piano concert and accidentally we cut into big crowd of these pride-paraders ... dressed like they do. She was scared and had the questions..... Therefore I would rather keep their pride and other exposure limited in public places. Burning Man event may be the best fit :)))

Date: 2015-06-27 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
To me, the pride parades are no different than other celebrations like St. Patrick's Day parades, Puerto Rican day parades, etc. :) About churches, I don't think they should be forced to marry same sex couples if the priest/preacher is opposed to it for religious reasons. There are plenty of liberal churches (at least in my area) that openly welcome gays. They can get married in places like this. I've never made it to Burning Man, I think it must be a very interesting and colorful scene! :))

Date: 2015-06-26 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jon-quille.livejournal.com
Good news. Thanks God that there are countries in this world which respect even small groups of their citizens. And prepare Shannon. Now supermoral russians will explain you how it is wrong and how it will lead to the end of the US. Heh.

Date: 2015-06-26 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
Yes, good news! For me, and for the USA!

Date: 2015-06-26 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beloborodoff.livejournal.com
I think it is very rude to call who disagree a "sevages". They has a heavy points.

Date: 2015-06-26 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
What are the heavy points? People who say hateful or insulting things about those who live differently than them, or believe differently, are savages in my view. You can have a different viewpoint, and still be respectful in a discussion. For instance, I am anti-religious, but I don't run around insulting religious people, or calling them dirty or disparaging names.

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Date: 2015-06-26 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ya-nsky.livejournal.com
да и в рот они е..сь эти гомики. у нас этого не будет. тем более нам плодиться надо. страна вон какая широкая, аршином хрен измеришь. )

Date: 2015-06-26 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
The only purpose in life is to multiply and produce offspring? I don't share this viewpoint.

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Date: 2015-06-26 05:09 pm (UTC)
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а когда в штатах педофилию разрешат?

Date: 2015-06-26 05:09 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2015-06-26 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coffeeroads.livejournal.com
Ну и пусть будут счастливы.

Date: 2015-06-26 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
Yes, many people are happy day! Including me. :)

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Date: 2015-06-26 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rider3099.livejournal.com
I’m really happy and proud of the Unites States!

Date: 2015-06-26 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
Me too, Olga! Is your daughter still here? Does she like the USA?

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Date: 2015-06-26 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
Почему?

Date: 2015-06-26 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nagolny.livejournal.com
Причина гомофобии не в том, что это даёт чувство превосходства или что ещё. А в страхе разрушения картины мира (моральных основ) и потери почвы под ногами. Логика простая: если мы разрешим геев, тогда придётся пересматривать вообще всё, что считалось аморальным. Россиян и так практически ничего не объединяет, всё время ищется какая-то "национальная идея". Поэтому потерять ещё и мораль (остатки её, точнее) смерти подобно для очень многих людей, в их субъективном восприятии, внутреннем мире.
From: [identity profile] rezident-tlt.livejournal.com
Разве могу осуждать мух за то, что ебутся? Однако когда на моей голове, злит. Так же и пидарасы. Когда в тихом уединении делают то, к чему лежат их души, кто возразит? Но они устраивают факельные шествия и приковывают себя к фонарям на набережной, дудят в дудки, бьют в барабаны и кричат, чтобы все знали их нрав - что-де лупятся в очко и долбятся в жопу.
Истинно, они хуже мух, ибо мухи только изредка согрешают на моей голове, пидарасы же изо дня в день пытаются совокупиться в самом её центре. Мухи по недомыслию, пидарасы же хладнокровно и сознательно.

И через то постигаю, что пялить они хотят не друг друга, а всех, причём насильно, и взаимный содомус для них только предлог и повод.

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yes.

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Re: yes.

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Date: 2015-06-26 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 1greywind.livejournal.com
Well, this is just another barrel of fuel for IS or other future ultra conservative movements.

Date: 2015-06-26 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peacetraveler22.livejournal.com
Even some conservative politicians support gay marriage, although they're definitely in the minority.

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